Chad reed

5/8/2017 8:38pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2017 8:47pm
Crush wrote:
Shows he was on pace all day, qualifying, heats, main... And if the start positions were reversed he could have quite easily led the whole thing...
Shows he was on pace all day, qualifying, heats, main... And if the start positions were reversed he could have quite easily led the whole thing.

And considering he got taken out by another rider two laps from the end, not sure you can say he can't put the whole race together.

Tomac slowed his pace down 2.7 seconds per lap after his fastest lap. You think Reed could have found 2.7 seconds per lap?
Crush wrote:
Read what I said, and go look at lap times. He was on pace.
Okay, I see your point. If Reed could have gotten the holeshot. And then let Tomac hold up the entire field (like Reed did with Stewart in LV [which allowed RV2 to check out]) then Reed could have probably held on for the win. Tomac's average for laps 2-5 was 1:05.40 (and was getting faster each lap.) Then, he went into strategy mode and averaged 1:07.74 for the rest of the race (not counting the last lap which was even slower.) Perhaps
Reed could have matched Tomac's pace, but considering that his fastest lap was .5 seconds off Tomac's early average, it did not look promising. Of course, reality is that the pace was extremely slow, so technically you are correct, Reed (and about 10 others) were on pace to win the race.
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5/8/2017 8:57pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2017 9:00pm
What? Eli's average at laps 2-5 was 1:05.4? It's a 1:06.08 and improves slightly including his fastest to a 1:05.9 over laps 2-6...

Clearly you can't use Reed's total average as an indicator, not the same conditions – he had a 1:10 and a 1:14 from getting shuffled and knocked off track by Anderson. Take his fastest 4 lap cluster average as you have above and it's a 1:06.4 – in traffic! And doesn't include his fastest times when he smelt an opportunity.

So, in traffic, a quarter of a second difference average from the very fastest race pace, and apparently no chance! I've said all year, his results have been about starting position more than his riding and then track conditions. He's good on that bike when it's slippery and hard. And we've had a soft dirt year more so than say 10 years ago.

Like everyone else always says though, the guy should just quit, he doesn't have it! I guess then there are an awful lot of other dudes who should hang it up also!
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5/9/2017 3:39am
Crush wrote:
What? Eli's average at laps 2-5 was 1:05.4? It's a 1:06.08 and improves slightly including his fastest to a 1:05.9 over laps 2-6... Clearly you can't...
What? Eli's average at laps 2-5 was 1:05.4? It's a 1:06.08 and improves slightly including his fastest to a 1:05.9 over laps 2-6...

Clearly you can't use Reed's total average as an indicator, not the same conditions – he had a 1:10 and a 1:14 from getting shuffled and knocked off track by Anderson. Take his fastest 4 lap cluster average as you have above and it's a 1:06.4 – in traffic! And doesn't include his fastest times when he smelt an opportunity.

So, in traffic, a quarter of a second difference average from the very fastest race pace, and apparently no chance! I've said all year, his results have been about starting position more than his riding and then track conditions. He's good on that bike when it's slippery and hard. And we've had a soft dirt year more so than say 10 years ago.

Like everyone else always says though, the guy should just quit, he doesn't have it! I guess then there are an awful lot of other dudes who should hang it up also!
Yeah , I don't get it either. Everyone has the knives out for Reed... He's not fast enough to run with the top guys or whatever...well most of the 22 man field can be accused of the same thing...perhaps they should all be sacked...no more heats, semis or lcq's and just have a 17 round series with only two riders.... Dumb talk....Dumb! Reed is better than half the regular main event qualifiers at least, as indicated by his finishing position in the championship. If he has to go, surely all else below him should go, including Cooper Webb...Just dumb!
I hop Reed continues to race! Yeah , I wish he would race a 250 two stroke...but that ain't going to happen
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5/9/2017 4:01am
His gear at vegas looked good. Ill leave it at that.

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Yeah , I don't get it either. Everyone has the knives out for Reed... He's not fast enough to run with the top guys or whatever...well...
Yeah , I don't get it either. Everyone has the knives out for Reed... He's not fast enough to run with the top guys or whatever...well most of the 22 man field can be accused of the same thing...perhaps they should all be sacked...no more heats, semis or lcq's and just have a 17 round series with only two riders.... Dumb talk....Dumb! Reed is better than half the regular main event qualifiers at least, as indicated by his finishing position in the championship. If he has to go, surely all else below him should go, including Cooper Webb...Just dumb!
I hop Reed continues to race! Yeah , I wish he would race a 250 two stroke...but that ain't going to happen
Not going to be on a two stroke, but i'd settle for a bike that handles. He's always gonna be a guy that needs that feeling, and if you say he hates his bike, he's still been ok.

Even watching the difference in his front end confidence from 03/04 to 05. Fuckin different rider.
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5/9/2017 5:57am
Reed was riding like a man possessed. If Andy hadn't punted him up into the cheap seats he'd have won for sure. Though I'm glad he didn't .
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5/9/2017 6:11am
Clown show sums it up perfectly. Tomac being the head clown.
5/9/2017 6:27am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2017 6:40am
Crush wrote:
What? Eli's average at laps 2-5 was 1:05.4? It's a 1:06.08 and improves slightly including his fastest to a 1:05.9 over laps 2-6... Clearly you can't...
What? Eli's average at laps 2-5 was 1:05.4? It's a 1:06.08 and improves slightly including his fastest to a 1:05.9 over laps 2-6...

Clearly you can't use Reed's total average as an indicator, not the same conditions – he had a 1:10 and a 1:14 from getting shuffled and knocked off track by Anderson. Take his fastest 4 lap cluster average as you have above and it's a 1:06.4 – in traffic! And doesn't include his fastest times when he smelt an opportunity.

So, in traffic, a quarter of a second difference average from the very fastest race pace, and apparently no chance! I've said all year, his results have been about starting position more than his riding and then track conditions. He's good on that bike when it's slippery and hard. And we've had a soft dirt year more so than say 10 years ago.

Like everyone else always says though, the guy should just quit, he doesn't have it! I guess then there are an awful lot of other dudes who should hang it up also!
Where are you getting your lap times? (It appears that you may be looking at Dungey's times.) ET3 times below are from http://live.amasupercross.com/. Tomac steadily improves to 1:05.215. (my original lap numbers were off by 1, but argument is the same.) I realize that traffic situation changes lap times. However, when Tomac was on his 1:05.* pace, Reed steadily dropped to 10+ seconds back (watch the race again, I just did.) He wasn't being held up by anybody at that point - he was getting gapped by 4th place. A clear track and he was losing time at around 2 seconds per lap. My point is that Reed (and actually everyone else) only caught up after Tomac dropped significantly off his normal pace.


Tomac Lap Times (Main LV)
19 01:11.467
18 01:08.741
17 01:08.520
16 01:07.084
15 01:08.462
14 01:06.901
13 01:09.430
12 01:07.227
11 01:07.965
10 01:06.641
9 01:07.279
8 01:08.281
7 01:07.404
6 01:05.215 *
5 01:05.461
4 01:05.514
3 01:06.933
2 01:06.425
1 00:.00.000
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5/9/2017 6:59am
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No JA tactics or team tactics ( Red Bull and Rockstar are rivals along with Monster ffs)...that was retaliation for Reed running him high in the...
No JA tactics or team tactics ( Red Bull and Rockstar are rivals along with Monster ffs)...that was retaliation for Reed running him high in the corner or two before hand. Reed picked the wrong guy to do an aggressive pass on, nothing more.
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5/9/2017 7:17am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2017 7:19am
Where are you getting your lap times? (It appears that you may be looking at Dungey's times.) ET3 times below are from http://live.amasupercross.com/. Tomac steadily improves...
Where are you getting your lap times? (It appears that you may be looking at Dungey's times.) ET3 times below are from http://live.amasupercross.com/. Tomac steadily improves to 1:05.215. (my original lap numbers were off by 1, but argument is the same.) I realize that traffic situation changes lap times. However, when Tomac was on his 1:05.* pace, Reed steadily dropped to 10+ seconds back (watch the race again, I just did.) He wasn't being held up by anybody at that point - he was getting gapped by 4th place. A clear track and he was losing time at around 2 seconds per lap. My point is that Reed (and actually everyone else) only caught up after Tomac dropped significantly off his normal pace.


Tomac Lap Times (Main LV)
19 01:11.467
18 01:08.741
17 01:08.520
16 01:07.084
15 01:08.462
14 01:06.901
13 01:09.430
12 01:07.227
11 01:07.965
10 01:06.641
9 01:07.279
8 01:08.281
7 01:07.404
6 01:05.215 *
5 01:05.461
4 01:05.514
3 01:06.933
2 01:06.425
1 00:.00.000
Who's arguing Tomac's slowing wasn't the reason people caught. He was the fastest guy all night and clearly laid up.

I never said Chad was fastest. Nor did I say Chad he'd have caught Eli without a change in Eli's times.

I did say "And if the start positions were reversed he could have quite easily led the whole thing", which looking at his lap times, isn't a stretch... At this point you interject asking if I thought Reed could have found 2.7 seconds a lap...

Maybe try stay on point?
5/9/2017 7:24am
Where are you getting your lap times? (It appears that you may be looking at Dungey's times.) ET3 times below are from http://live.amasupercross.com/. Tomac steadily improves...
Where are you getting your lap times? (It appears that you may be looking at Dungey's times.) ET3 times below are from http://live.amasupercross.com/. Tomac steadily improves to 1:05.215. (my original lap numbers were off by 1, but argument is the same.) I realize that traffic situation changes lap times. However, when Tomac was on his 1:05.* pace, Reed steadily dropped to 10+ seconds back (watch the race again, I just did.) He wasn't being held up by anybody at that point - he was getting gapped by 4th place. A clear track and he was losing time at around 2 seconds per lap. My point is that Reed (and actually everyone else) only caught up after Tomac dropped significantly off his normal pace.


Tomac Lap Times (Main LV)
19 01:11.467
18 01:08.741
17 01:08.520
16 01:07.084
15 01:08.462
14 01:06.901
13 01:09.430
12 01:07.227
11 01:07.965
10 01:06.641
9 01:07.279
8 01:08.281
7 01:07.404
6 01:05.215 *
5 01:05.461
4 01:05.514
3 01:06.933
2 01:06.425
1 00:.00.000
Crush wrote:
Who's arguing Tomac's slowing wasn't the reason people caught. He was the fastest guy all night and clearly laid up. I never said Chad was fastest...
Who's arguing Tomac's slowing wasn't the reason people caught. He was the fastest guy all night and clearly laid up.

I never said Chad was fastest. Nor did I say Chad he'd have caught Eli without a change in Eli's times.

I did say "And if the start positions were reversed he could have quite easily led the whole thing", which looking at his lap times, isn't a stretch... At this point you interject asking if I thought Reed could have found 2.7 seconds a lap...

Maybe try stay on point?
Okay boss. There is no arguing with your logic. You use the wrong person's lap times to justify your argument, then when called on it, say I should stay on point. You're right, Chad could clearly have won the main event if he would have gotten the start. Is that better?
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5/9/2017 7:30am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2017 7:38am
haha, you even stated your lap-times were wrong... I'm fine with my math

Arguing with logic? I'm pointing out what I've actually said, vs whatever you're babbling about...

I quite literally quoted my post... "...if the start positions were reversed..."
5/11/2017 4:39pm Edited Date/Time 5/11/2017 5:29pm
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haha, you even stated your lap-times were wrong... I'm fine with my math Arguing with logic? I'm pointing out what I've actually said, vs whatever you're...
haha, you even stated your lap-times were wrong... I'm fine with my math

Arguing with logic? I'm pointing out what I've actually said, vs whatever you're babbling about...

I quite literally quoted my post... "...if the start positions were reversed..."
I said my lap NUMBERS were wrong, not TIMES. You were referencing Dungey's times, not Tomac's. So, I posted the lap numbers and times, in a simple format that I thought even you could comprehend. A quote from your comment, "Eli's average at laps 2-5 was 1:05.4? It's a 1:06.08 and improves slightly including his fastest to a 1:05.9 over laps 2-6..." There is not a single fact correct in your sentence. Then you say, "I'm fine with my math" What number system are you using? Are you just making numbers up to support your fantasy about Reed winning? Reed winning is not even an issue, WGAF? But you were condescending because I stated that I mixed up lap 3 and 4 (which made no difference to my argument), and you can't even read the lap charts.
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5/11/2017 10:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/11/2017 10:23pm
Nope.

There are some simple key differences between what I wrote and what you're ranting about.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/05/12/194424/s1200_IMG_4394.jpg[/img]


Excellent idea. If you add Tomac's time, it will reflect the ebb/flow of the pack based on the leaders' lap times. Very well done.
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5/12/2017 10:23am
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Yep. 5th fastest lap time of the night, irrespective of what was happening ahead of him. Like i've said since Phoenix. You don't have a performance...
Yep. 5th fastest lap time of the night, irrespective of what was happening ahead of him.

Like i've said since Phoenix. You don't have a performance like that and not still have "it".

Fact is, that bike has a weird rep, Coop has it working on soft, Chad has it good on hardpack. And a bunch have said it's hard to setup.

Fuck knows how he gets on a different bike but i'd love to see him have a ride on a Suzuki or steel frame bike. I bet you'd all be pissed off at how good he'd be again.
Sooooo you think Chad's lack of speed this year is due to the bike that he's riding?

This must also mean that you think James's issues later in his career were also due to that new Yamaha, right?
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5/12/2017 8:50pm
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Sooooo you think Chad's lack of speed this year is due to the bike that he's riding? This must also mean that you think James's issues...
Sooooo you think Chad's lack of speed this year is due to the bike that he's riding?

This must also mean that you think James's issues later in his career were also due to that new Yamaha, right?
I think his speed is what it is, it's probably top 5 when he's good and comfy, and on that bike, the way he's got it setup, he's only ever comfortable on hardpack... just like Coop is only comfortable on soft stuff. Results and laptimes back it up.

I think James' issues was he setup bikes a particular way. It worked on some and was worse on others. I do think it was worse on the reverse Yamaha. The change on the Zook was dramatic at first, then progressively he sacked it out. Regardless, he still crashed a lot on all of them, and later in his career, I think it's taken a physical and mental toll.
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It's going to be very interesting riding my new yz 450 for the first time... Seems to have a bit of a stigma attached to it at the elite level. Never really spoken to anyone that owns one about how they handle.
I'll probably be crapping my daks if I manage to get it into fourth on a mx track UnsureUnsure
5/12/2017 10:30pm Edited Date/Time 5/12/2017 11:21pm
In my opinion the yamaha turns worst of the lot. Surprised that a factory team could not fix this on a factory riders bike though.
Or can/have they???
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Seems like some have done well on it in outdoors racing though. Fevbre and his mx1 title and Dean Ferris is whipping everyone here on one at the moment.
I couldn't imagine riding something so big and heavy on a supercross track. The 250 seems to be competitive though.
Maybe the 450 is just too heavy for SX , heavy in the wrong places or something.
Looked like Reed was really having fun demoing that 250 two stroke at the Aus Open...
I'm really looking forward to riding mine...I kinda wanted a Ktm but I've been a Yamaha guy for too long I suppose.
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anybody know what teams he has been in talks with?
"So Carlos does Ryan do anything in particular that you'd like me to do?"


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lo95co380 wrote:
anybody know what teams he has been in talks with?
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"So Carlos does Ryan do anything in particular that you'd like me to do?" [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/05/13/194826/s1200_01.jpg[/img]
"So Carlos does Ryan do anything in particular that you'd like me to do?"


Check the butt patch.... Maybe a hint?.

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