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C50_screenshot_2016_01_02_06_36_55_1460516754 gsxr6 Quote
10/4/2017 9:43 PM
TXDirt wrote:

Disclose the ad revenue ...more

ML512 wrote:

As far as I'm aware, Honda ...more

Bam. Question answered. Electric won't truly take over until the range, weight and hp line up with the 450 competition. What's sustainable top.speed on the Alta? 60 65 with stock gearing?looking at dyno curves it looks super flat after 55mph . Is that a huge signoff feeling in the top of the speed range? Cuz a 450 will pull hard to 80, and pass 90 if you dare with stock gearing. So the alta would get destroyed in an offroad shootout as.well.....an esp any type of racing with long straights ala hare and hound or desert style terrain.

when in doubt, pin it out

C50_profile_1424660203 ML512 Quote
10/4/2017 9:58 PM
TXDirt wrote:

Disclose the ad revenue ...more

ML512 wrote:

As far as I'm aware, Honda ...more

gsxr6 wrote:

Bam. Question answered. ...more

What stock geared Motocross 450 passes 90? hell, last I check I don't think they pass 80...

I rode the Alta on a track, not wide open down a pit lane so I have no answer for that.

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C50_mxon_maggiora_nl697_saturday_1474847906 colintrax Quote
10/4/2017 10:44 PM
gsxr6 wrote:

Bam. Question answered. ...more

Hahaha what?? 90?? Come on dude. Most moto bikes top out around 70. The alta does 65. It's not intended to compete with off road bikes because it's not an off road bike, it's a motocross bike.

C50_screenshot_2016_01_02_06_36_55_1460516754 gsxr6 Quote
10/4/2017 11:34 PM

Dirt bike has the crf450rx at 93 mph. The rear sprocket is a tooth smaller on the mx model, same gearbox. 450s do 70 in third nearing the rev limiter. I find it really hard to believe vitals top mx test rider doesn't even comprehend the top speeds of the bikes he rides. U guys crack me up. Yes stock geared 450s get passed 90mph.

when in doubt, pin it out

C50_screenshot_2016_01_02_06_36_55_1460516754 gsxr6 Quote
10/4/2017 11:38 PM

I have also seen Dyno charts of then new 2014 yzf450 turning the Dyno 72mph and in third gear. It was stock geared.

when in doubt, pin it out

C50_screenshot_2016_01_02_06_36_55_1460516754 gsxr6 Quote
10/4/2017 11:48 PM

Here in a review 85mph for the identical gearbox, bigger rear sprocket than the mx model crf450rx is mentioned,
and yes it can be overrevved past 85mph. The tooth smaller rear sprocket of the mx model gives it an even higher top speed.

when in doubt, pin it out

C50_first_day_riding_the_fc250_1474243708 305FC250 Quote
10/5/2017 3:44 AM

What changed on the Honda between 2017 and 2018? As far as I know nothing significant changed... How is it magically dominating shootouts? I'm not gona jump on the whole "Honda is paying for it" thing but last year they were what, 3rd-4th place in most of the shootouts and this year with only minor tweaks they've gone 2 for 2 so far. Doesn't make sense to me.

Anytime I see KTM and Husky spread that far apart the shootout loses all credibility imo. Husky last period is a joke.

C50_18290113_1019998028136411_1270589478_o_1493931076 Motofinne Quote
10/5/2017 4:53 AM
305FC250 wrote:

What changed on the Honda ...more

They changed the engine mounts and the stiffened up the front forks with stiffer springs.

I have to agree with you on the Husqvarna comment. Hard to take a shootout seriously when a bike like that finishes last. Either the line up of riders are somewhat biased or something was wrong with the bike.

C50_op_ktm_9_1509822885 MBR Quote
10/5/2017 5:17 AM
305FC250 wrote:

What changed on the Honda ...more

Motofinne wrote:

They changed the engine ...more

Some people seemed a bit angry after Honda won the Vital shootout, but since then Honda won both Keefer's and Dirt Riders shootouts For me the three new components: stiffer springs (too soft fork 2017), RX engine mounts (more forgiving frame) and new ecu maps (2017 hit a bit too hard from the bottom for average Joe) were things that needed work on Honda (and clutch). If you ride KTM/Husqvarna back to back you will notice surprisingly big difference between those bikes, but I'm not sure if it is enough to drop it to behind the rest of the bikes.

C50_re_sized_1501517019 Madmax31 Quote
10/5/2017 5:21 AM

More importantly why would anyone read or buy Dirt Rider. They suck ass since dumping Keefer. F them and their shitty rag.

2013 KTM 450SXF and 1983 YZ 250K

C50_18290113_1019998028136411_1270589478_o_1493931076 Motofinne Quote
10/5/2017 5:23 AM
305FC250 wrote:

What changed on the Honda ...more

Motofinne wrote:

They changed the engine ...more

MBR wrote:

Some people seemed a bit ...more

Yeah the people that claim that the Husqvarna and KTM are the same bikes are wrong, the difference is surprisingly big! My main complaint with Dirt Rider placing the Husky last is that no other publication has done that. It clearly indicates that something was up with the bike or something was up with the test riders.

And it isn't a surprise that the Honda has won most shootouts, it was a really good bike last year and like with all bikes even "small" changes can make a good bike a great bike!

C50_screenshot_92_1436233938 Derek Harris Quote
10/5/2017 6:21 AM

Ive enjoyed all the various shootouts.
It's a lesson for me on how important "snap" is to test riders in power vs how important real hp is.

The kawi has a lot of work to go to be same power as ktm and crf... but still has reviewed well in all tests.

but all the reviews have pointed out that any bike is good. Throw in a piston and and slip on for the rmz, Get the suspension done and it's close.

I don't know many people who keep their bikes stock (which more should) so ultimately the bikes are all soo good... buy what makes you happy inside... what's available locally, or good price... etc. I think the Yamaha would make most consumers happiest off all the reviews I read. It's plusher/comfy, Has a great engine and e start. It's not necessarily the "pro racers" choice where the stiffness of crf or ktm seem to do better

C50_h4l_photo_96848_1458328084 H4L Quote
10/5/2017 7:02 AM

MX shoot outs have many variables that come into play. It's up to the consumer what characteristics they're looking for in a bike. Case in point I've purchased 2 different bikes that placed last in the shoot outs an 03 CR250r & 10 CRF450r. With some tweaks they've become the top 3 favorite bikes owned in 4 decades. I think the modern 250 or 450 4 strokes are all very good with some minor tweaks to the riders preferences.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

C50_images racerray909 Quote
10/5/2017 7:31 AM

I had a friend ride my 17 a few times this weekend between mine and his 16 YZ450F he has two complains
1. No engine braking
2. Clutch feel was weird

Said he felt really comfortable on it the first time.
But in the end he a loyal Yamaha guy with a good dealership to work with. So I told him to stick with what he knows and he got the 18 YZ450f


C50 kkawboy14 Quote
10/5/2017 7:37 AM

It's obvious they are paying off the testers to much,,,,,they ran out of money for Seelys suspension......

Make is right

C50_profile_1424660203 ML512 Quote
10/5/2017 7:49 AM
gsxr6 wrote:

Here in a review 85mph for ...more

I just checked, our dyno wheel speed shows a higher 80mph range for most of these bikes, more than I expected. I don't sit on dirt straight aways or in parking lots holding bikes 5th gear wide.

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C50_profile_1424660203 ML512 Quote
10/5/2017 7:50 AM
kkawboy14 wrote:

It's obvious they are ...more

Have you run out of sarcastic comments this week yet.

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C50_144352940_1270510765 Kbach Quote
10/5/2017 9:15 AM
ML512 wrote:

As far as I'm aware, Honda ...more

I take offense to that Michael....I clearly bought Steve and Bayo lunch a couple times back when I was doing the press gig for Honda so therefore I take full credit for laying the groundwork (obvious bribery) for the success of the 18 CRF450R in the Vital shootout...

C50 kkawboy14 Quote
10/5/2017 9:17 AM
kkawboy14 wrote:

It's obvious they are ...more

ML512 wrote:

Have you run out of ...more

I see you found one in the other thread

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10/5/2017 9:26 AM
gsxr6 wrote:

Here in a review 85mph for ...more

ML512 wrote:

I just checked, our dyno ...more

I do , but at coos Bay. A 450 will lift the tire on roll on past 75 in 5th . Tunnel vision like a 500 two stroke in the sign down portion of the power in 5th. Fun times. All the desert guys know I'm sure. On sand I find the very top part of 5th and approaching the rev limiter, the sand feels like regular dirt almost.

when in doubt, pin it out

C50_20170328_191835_1491356067 Aceofspades Quote
10/5/2017 10:20 AM

With a GPS speedometer, my 14 rmz450 did 87mph, and had more throttle but I got scared. I went out to the main highway for the speed run. It was scary.

C50 Average Joe Quote
10/5/2017 10:56 AM

Who ever goes that fast on an MX track?...which is what these bikes are being tested for. They are built/designed to race on MX tracks. I could give two rips about the top end speed on any MX bike made. By all the replies, apparently, I'm in the minority.

C50_img_20151127_132255925_1450107346 mxb2 Quote
10/5/2017 11:08 AM
Average Joe wrote:

Who ever goes that fast on ...more

Just the goons ridin mx bikes on the roadways.

C50_profile_1424660203 ML512 Quote
10/5/2017 11:14 AM
TXDirt wrote:

Disclose the ad revenue ...more

ML512 wrote:

As far as I'm aware, Honda ...more

Kbach wrote:

I take offense to that ...more

Never bought me lunch...

Are you around the office tomorrow btw? I'm swinging through.

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Instagram: @Michael_Lindsay512

C50_motox_pic_1510336539 datkin128 Quote
10/5/2017 11:20 AM
yz133rider wrote:

Seems like a joke to me. ...more

I've ridden the 18 Honda. It's a great bike, turns amazing, feels easy to ride, etc. You can't go wrong with that bike IMO.

C50_husqvarna_250_tc_2017_2_1492377431 kiwifan Quote
10/5/2017 1:02 PM
MBR wrote:

Some people seemed a bit ...more

Gee aint that the truth....however we know the MXA one is yet to come...so the balance in the force is bound to be resumed

As for the Husky, wow, even I am blown away they rated it last, I have ridden one and heck I think its a great bike...no way is it a dog (not that any of them are).

Current rides: 2018 CRF450R and 2017 TC250
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500
Road bike: None

C50_17880_248427500349_7776897_n_1510798806 mikebrownsound Quote
10/5/2017 1:07 PM
yz133rider wrote:

Seems like a joke to me. ...more

Why are people " nuts" for having a different opinion of wich bikes they believe is the best? "loyal nuts" its in the end just opinions. Up to you to get what you want to ride anyway is it not?

C50_144352940_1270510765 Kbach Quote
10/5/2017 3:23 PM
ML512 wrote:

Never bought me lunch...

...more

Haha, you were never at the office when I went down there but I'm sure you stole snacks or something from the sprinter when we were at the track so that counts as lunch!!

I'll be here tomorrow. Shoot me a text/call when you get here and I'll run down to the shop and say hi.
(310)892-28foursix

C50_019 brimx153 Quote
10/5/2017 4:00 PM
racerray909 wrote:

I had a friend ride my 17 ...more

i am thinking between a honda or yamaha , just wondering which has the most engine braking i rode a 17 honda and actually thought it had more engine braking than my 12 Suzuki 450. the Suzuki has a ton at first then nonthing at all when you are slowed down in the corner which i hate

C50 wreckitrandy Quote
10/5/2017 4:08 PM

Isn't Dirt Rider the outfit that named the Cannondale, Bike of the Year?

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