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I don't think it has anything to do with feeling more bad ass than the other riders below your number. It gives the guys a goal to strive for.

Go take a look at Henry Miller's Instagram. He seems pretty happy to have earned number 48 for the 2018 season. That's the best he's earned in his career so far and I'm sure he's looking to better that number for 2019.

I know up here a lot of the riders have it as their goal to get a top 100 number. Breaking the top 100, top 50, top 30, top 20, etc. Is something to look back on and be proud of yourself and say I did that and that at one point I was the "X" best in the world/series.
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9/21/2017 10:45am Edited Date/Time 9/21/2017 10:46am
Everyone needs to chill out on this number system. It is not a difficult system to understand. Combined point for supercross an motocross. Top 10 in combined point or champs get to choose a career number .Pretty easy to understand.

The confusing part does come when riders can petition to keep permanent numbers ie; js7.

However I do not understand the provisional license that the foreign riders race under. Herlings, dean ferris and toshiki tomita should have career numbers based on the point system but they didn't earn them. Does anyone know why they have to race under a special license that doesn't qualify them for points in the final standings?
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Why should it be so hard to identify a rider/rider's while watching a race and how long should it take to figure it out?
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9/21/2017 10:54am
Random fact: Vince Friese has earned all his numbers twice, with the exception of #59.

2010: #61
2011: #45
2012: #59
2013: #42
2014: #42
2015: #45
2016: #55
2017: #61
2018: #55

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9/21/2017 11:02am
eilers434 wrote:
Everyone needs to chill out on this number system. It is not a difficult system to understand. Combined point for supercross an motocross. Top 10 in...
Everyone needs to chill out on this number system. It is not a difficult system to understand. Combined point for supercross an motocross. Top 10 in combined point or champs get to choose a career number .Pretty easy to understand.

The confusing part does come when riders can petition to keep permanent numbers ie; js7.

However I do not understand the provisional license that the foreign riders race under. Herlings, dean ferris and toshiki tomita should have career numbers based on the point system but they didn't earn them. Does anyone know why they have to race under a special license that doesn't qualify them for points in the final standings?
Need an AMA license in order to score points. They just race under a provisional license simply because they do a race or two. There's absolutely no point in purchasing an AMA license just for a one off race.

I inquired about this when Kaven Benoit raced in 2016 and scored enough points to earn a number but was left off the 2017 list.
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9/21/2017 11:22am
eilers434 wrote:
Everyone needs to chill out on this number system. It is not a difficult system to understand. Combined point for supercross an motocross. Top 10 in...
Everyone needs to chill out on this number system. It is not a difficult system to understand. Combined point for supercross an motocross. Top 10 in combined point or champs get to choose a career number .Pretty easy to understand.

The confusing part does come when riders can petition to keep permanent numbers ie; js7.

However I do not understand the provisional license that the foreign riders race under. Herlings, dean ferris and toshiki tomita should have career numbers based on the point system but they didn't earn them. Does anyone know why they have to race under a special license that doesn't qualify them for points in the final standings?
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Need an AMA license in order to score points. They just race under a provisional license simply because they do a race or two. There's absolutely...
Need an AMA license in order to score points. They just race under a provisional license simply because they do a race or two. There's absolutely no point in purchasing an AMA license just for a one off race.

I inquired about this when Kaven Benoit raced in 2016 and scored enough points to earn a number but was left off the 2017 list.
That makes sense for sure. But what about Tomita who raced every round but Hangtown? Why wouldn't he want to get an ama licence to be able to run a two digit number that he earned this summer.
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That I don't know. Perhaps he likes running the 718. Not scoring any points allows him to run it year after year just like the guy's that race the GP's.

Take Alessi for example. He's had the 800 since amateurs and when it came time to choose a career number he stuck with it. Maybe the 718 means something to Tomita.
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Can someone explain how AC gets a permanent number?
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Can someone explain how AC gets a permanent number?
Top 10 in points get to choose a 2 digit career number. 250 SX points are now combined with 250 MX points.
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YZDAD wrote:
Can someone explain how AC gets a permanent number?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Top 10 in points get to choose a 2 digit career number. 250 SX points are now combined with 250 MX points.
Thank you!
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YZDAD wrote:
Can someone explain how AC gets a permanent number?
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Top 10 in points get to choose a 2 digit career number. 250 SX points are now combined with 250 MX points.
YZDAD wrote:
Thank you!
Also new is that 250 SX regional champs are now allowed to choose a 2 digit career number. That's why both Malcolm Stewart (27) and Justin Hill (46) now have career numbers.

Single digit career numbers are reserved for national champions via a 250 MX, 450 SX or MX title only. Hence the reason why Jeremy Martin has the 6 on his bike.
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9/21/2017 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 9/21/2017 12:46pm
Ok let me make sure I got this so can 'splain it to my fellow fans and family...

* 5 different people will run #1 in Professional Racing in the U.S. (it depends on engine size, region and venue)
* 30 people have permanent numbers (the only way to know that is to see the list)
* 71 people have assigned numbers based on last years points (with 250's credited the same as 450's)
* hundreds of 3 digit people have numbers based on when they applied for their license or what region they are from

Clear as mud.

Do they pass out this list when you buy a ticket?


9/21/2017 12:58pm
eilers434 wrote:
Everyone needs to chill out on this number system. It is not a difficult system to understand. Combined point for supercross an motocross. Top 10 in...
Everyone needs to chill out on this number system. It is not a difficult system to understand. Combined point for supercross an motocross. Top 10 in combined point or champs get to choose a career number .Pretty easy to understand.

The confusing part does come when riders can petition to keep permanent numbers ie; js7.

However I do not understand the provisional license that the foreign riders race under. Herlings, dean ferris and toshiki tomita should have career numbers based on the point system but they didn't earn them. Does anyone know why they have to race under a special license that doesn't qualify them for points in the final standings?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Need an AMA license in order to score points. They just race under a provisional license simply because they do a race or two. There's absolutely...
Need an AMA license in order to score points. They just race under a provisional license simply because they do a race or two. There's absolutely no point in purchasing an AMA license just for a one off race.

I inquired about this when Kaven Benoit raced in 2016 and scored enough points to earn a number but was left off the 2017 list.
eilers434 wrote:
That makes sense for sure. But what about Tomita who raced every round but Hangtown? Why wouldn't he want to get an ama licence to be...
That makes sense for sure. But what about Tomita who raced every round but Hangtown? Why wouldn't he want to get an ama licence to be able to run a two digit number that he earned this summer.
I have to believe that falls on him, I doubt they make him race with a provisional license.
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Ok let me make sure I got this so can 'splain it to my fellow fans and family... * 5 different people will run #1 in...
Ok let me make sure I got this so can 'splain it to my fellow fans and family...

* 5 different people will run #1 in Professional Racing in the U.S. (it depends on engine size, region and venue)
* 30 people have permanent numbers (the only way to know that is to see the list)
* 71 people have assigned numbers based on last years points (with 250's credited the same as 450's)
* hundreds of 3 digit people have numbers based on when they applied for their license or what region they are from

Clear as mud.

Do they pass out this list when you buy a ticket?


The three digit riders get to choose their number as long as its available. There are no stipulations other than availability to choose a 3 digit number.
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Pretty sure Nick Wey scored more points than JS7 in 2017, but he loses his career number (to Mookie of all people) and JS7 sends a...
Pretty sure Nick Wey scored more points than JS7 in 2017, but he loses his career number (to Mookie of all people) and JS7 sends a letter and keeps his. The whole system is a mess.
Whos gunna take his number? The only guy that could is Osborne and i doubt he would take that number without knowing he was for sure done. The AMA did that for Josh Hill when he didnt race for 2012 whem he didnt race in 2011 too.
9/21/2017 8:49pm
Just let a rider pick any unused 2-3 digit number when they turn pro. They get to keep it as long as keep racing. Current champs gets a gold glitter number plate. Former champs get a black number plate. Other riders get a white number plate. Anything else is needlessly complex.

Also, the #1 is available only to the rider with the most combined MX and SX points, but they can run their personal number if they choose.
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So Osborne decided to keep the #16 instead of going to a single digit like #8? I have to say I'm surprised.
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9/22/2017 11:27am Edited Date/Time 9/22/2017 11:35am
smee113 wrote:
Random fact: Vince Friese has earned all his numbers twice, with the exception of #59. 2010: #61 2011: #45 2012: #59 2013: #42 2014: #42 2015...
Random fact: Vince Friese has earned all his numbers twice, with the exception of #59.

2010: #61
2011: #45
2012: #59
2013: #42
2014: #42
2015: #45
2016: #55
2017: #61
2018: #55
Bonus points if you can post up a takeout with each number







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MotoX85 wrote "So how does that allow him to keep his number if he didn't earn any points in 2017?

And did you call John Dowd and ask him if it was ok since his number was taken away when he didn't earn the required points when he was racing?"

Not sure why I would call John Dowd and ask him if he was un-retiring and wanted his number back... But like Christophe Pourcel a couple of years ago when he did not have a ride, Stewart notified the AMA that he did not race because he did not have a ride in 2017, but he was not planning on retiring and was hoping he could keep his number for his return. They decided to hold the number for one more year for him.

As for Nick Wey, I know Malcolm actually approached him and asked if he could claim the number, just like Cooper Webb did with Ryan Villopoto. Wey apparently said he was now done with it, despite earning one point at RedBud, because he is retired.

The numbering system is not perfect, but I like it better than just giving everyone new numbers each year and starting over. It doesn't work for everyone, but it worked for a lot of guys.

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DC wrote:
MotoX85 wrote "So how does that allow him to keep his number if he didn't earn any points in 2017? And did you call John Dowd...
MotoX85 wrote "So how does that allow him to keep his number if he didn't earn any points in 2017?

And did you call John Dowd and ask him if it was ok since his number was taken away when he didn't earn the required points when he was racing?"

Not sure why I would call John Dowd and ask him if he was un-retiring and wanted his number back... But like Christophe Pourcel a couple of years ago when he did not have a ride, Stewart notified the AMA that he did not race because he did not have a ride in 2017, but he was not planning on retiring and was hoping he could keep his number for his return. They decided to hold the number for one more year for him.

As for Nick Wey, I know Malcolm actually approached him and asked if he could claim the number, just like Cooper Webb did with Ryan Villopoto. Wey apparently said he was now done with it, despite earning one point at RedBud, because he is retired.

The numbering system is not perfect, but I like it better than just giving everyone new numbers each year and starting over. It doesn't work for everyone, but it worked for a lot of guys.

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That's good news regarding James Stewart. I hope he's serious this time. My money is that he shows up at A1 with Malcolm in a continuation of the Ride 365/Seven team from last year. Hopefully they get good equipment. I think he's earned the right to be granted an exception by the AMA to keep the number 7 an extra year.
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The numbers were just released and James Stewart will keep #7. He notified the AMA by letter of his intentions to return to racing in 2018...
The numbers were just released and James Stewart will keep #7. He notified the AMA by letter of his intentions to return to racing in 2018.

http://racerxonline.com/2017/09/20/2018-ama-supercross-and-motocross-nu…

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Sorry to bump a thread that is nearly a year old.

It looks like Dylan Ferrandis was awarded the highest non-career number for 2018. How does that work, since it looks to me like Weston Peick had the most points in 2017 for anybody who didn't have a career number.

Ferrandis: 305 points in 250 MX
Peick: 39 450 SX points + 268 450 MX points = 307 total points

McElrath, Davalos, Harrison, Nichols and Craig also had fewer points than Peick, but got a higher number.
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6/18/2018 12:09am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2018 12:16am
RichieW13 wrote:
Sorry to bump a thread that is nearly a year old. It looks like Dylan Ferrandis was awarded the highest non-career number for 2018. How does...
Sorry to bump a thread that is nearly a year old.

It looks like Dylan Ferrandis was awarded the highest non-career number for 2018. How does that work, since it looks to me like Weston Peick had the most points in 2017 for anybody who didn't have a career number.

Ferrandis: 305 points in 250 MX
Peick: 39 450 SX points + 268 450 MX points = 307 total points

McElrath, Davalos, Harrison, Nichols and Craig also had fewer points than Peick, but got a higher number.
Here's how the points total was.

#24 Ferrandis - 144 Esx points and 305 250mx points = 449.
#28 McElrath - 164 Wsx points and 248 250mx points = 412
#29 Davalos - 145 Wsx points and 263 450mx points = 408
#30 M Harrison - 86 Esx points and 279 250mx points = 365
#31 Nichols - 49 Esx points and 303 250mx points = 352
#32 Craig - 20 SX points and 97 Esx points and 216 450mx points = 333
#34 Peick - 29 SX points and 268 450mx points = 307
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I hope the AMA wont hold that number for James anymore, especially since he isnt racing in 2018...
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MXerDW wrote:
Here's how the points total was. #24 Ferrandis - 144 Esx points and 305 250mx points = 449. #28 McElrath - 164 Wsx points and 248...
Here's how the points total was.

#24 Ferrandis - 144 Esx points and 305 250mx points = 449.
#28 McElrath - 164 Wsx points and 248 250mx points = 412
#29 Davalos - 145 Wsx points and 263 450mx points = 408
#30 M Harrison - 86 Esx points and 279 250mx points = 365
#31 Nichols - 49 Esx points and 303 250mx points = 352
#32 Craig - 20 SX points and 97 Esx points and 216 450mx points = 333
#34 Peick - 29 SX points and 268 450mx points = 307
Ok. So the 250 SX points DO count?
6/18/2018 9:07am
MXerDW wrote:
Here's how the points total was. #24 Ferrandis - 144 Esx points and 305 250mx points = 449. #28 McElrath - 164 Wsx points and 248...
Here's how the points total was.

#24 Ferrandis - 144 Esx points and 305 250mx points = 449.
#28 McElrath - 164 Wsx points and 248 250mx points = 412
#29 Davalos - 145 Wsx points and 263 450mx points = 408
#30 M Harrison - 86 Esx points and 279 250mx points = 365
#31 Nichols - 49 Esx points and 303 250mx points = 352
#32 Craig - 20 SX points and 97 Esx points and 216 450mx points = 333
#34 Peick - 29 SX points and 268 450mx points = 307
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Ok. So the 250 SX points DO count?
Yes that was changed a few years ago.
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6/18/2018 9:13am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2018 9:13am
Yes that was changed a few years ago.
Makes sense. The only thing I could find was an article from 2011 that said 250 SX points don't count.

Thanks!

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