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I just listened to an interview with Carmichael on the Moto Magazine website, in which he indirectly said that 4-strokes was some of the reason so many of the top guys got injured this year:
Moto Magazine interview
This got me thinking, how cool would it be if Supercross was only for 2-strokes, 125 and 250's?
And do you guys think it would make any difference regarding injuries?
Also, in the MXdN, the MX3 class is basically another 450 class. What if they instead had a 2-stroke class?
PS, this is my first post here on VitalMX, been lurking around for a while, finally registered.. So hello to you all!
Moto Magazine interview
This got me thinking, how cool would it be if Supercross was only for 2-strokes, 125 and 250's?
And do you guys think it would make any difference regarding injuries?
Also, in the MXdN, the MX3 class is basically another 450 class. What if they instead had a 2-stroke class?
PS, this is my first post here on VitalMX, been lurking around for a while, finally registered.. So hello to you all!
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/supercross_motocross/2012/05/30/super…
Every time these guys put a leg over a bike they are rolling the dice. And the sport these days requires more testing and practice than ever before. Sure, the tracks are gnarlier than ever but the bikes and riders are also better so it evens out.
Its the year round schedule. Week in, week out.
The Shop
I don't understand this argument.
Are the riders magically not able to crash with a better bike? Obviously not, they are still crashing.
Crashes are nothing new. So why are they getting hurt in record numbers?
A popular quote (I think by RC) and I paraphrase, "Gravity hasn't changed".
Crashes are happening at ALOT FASTER speeds in supercross that ever before, on heavier bikes.
Force = Mass x Acceleration
Now think of the all multipliers you can add to that equation. They all make the end force go UP.
We want the force to go DOWN if we want less traumatic crashes. Lower speeds or use a softer racing surface to lower acceleration (deceleration), or lower the overall mass. There is no "better bike" in that equation (other than lighter bike).
Read the cycle news article. Carmichael comments that the nationals also have fast speeds, but the obstacles are not so close together so you have room to abort or recover. Other factors such as softer dirt and less jumping "up" are cited as equalizers for the high speed nationals.
Many people comment that injuries will happen. Villopoto's knee. Canards and Mo's freak collision. Things like that, but it's a fact we are seeing way more potentionally career ending injuries when the inevitable happens.
Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now. I just don't understand why a large majority shrugs it off as "injuries happen in motocross, nothing we can do about it".
Why couldn't they have stock and mod 250 classes? Stock class can change nothing except the wheels, bars and suspension internals.
Wouldn't take them away outdoors though
IMO though, it was all a bunch of bad luck. Nothing changed between 2011 and 2012 to cause the epidemic
Pit Row
They can now live with there little monster they've created.
Along w corporate sponsorship money from the "clueless"....
(as DB has stated)
I always use the crime rate analogy. Crime cannot be eliminated, much like injuries in this sport, but there are ways to reduce crime rates and there are variables exist that influence higher crime rates. This sport seems to have the mentality similar to, "Yeah, America has the highest violet crime rate out of first world nations (a fact), but ya know, stuff just happens, so lets just look the other way."
Would TC be less injured had he been landed on a 250 2S?
Would RV be less injured had he twisted his knee on a 250 2S?
Would CR be less injured had he came up short on a 250 2S?
The riders are going WAY faster (as a whole) than ever before. If they were on 2 strokes, they'd still be pushing the edge way more than before, and getting hurt. Hell, look at how much slower they went in the videos from the late 90's and even early 2000's....
The bottom line is.....this sport evolved......and evolution isn't always a good thing when it comes to things like this. Our athletes have gotten better , faster , in better shape and have been forced into riding on the very edge ( some times past that edge ) to stay competitive. Then.....you slap them on bikes that have basically "unlimited power"........it's a recipe for destruction.
I hate seeing all our guys sitting out from injuries all the time. I'm not going to sit here and argue that it's the 4 strokes either....because it isn't. The 4 strokes are easier to ride for sure.......but that also means they are easier to go fast on......exactly what a serious racer wants!!
I think we just need to dial them back a little......they are just to God damn fast!
David Bailey
Rick Johnson
Ernesto Fonseca
Bobby "fucking" Myers!
Jimmy Button
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