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Huh... who woulda thunk it?
The Shop
1. Fuel Injection (and now E-start)
2. Manufacturer or Dealer support
3. Model availability. (say they take some suspension, bars, levers and plastic over to a comp in Europe and the promoter provides a bike)
4. Torque and Traction
5. Maintenance. Yes, maintenance. Believe it or not, 4-strokes are easier to maintain when you aren't racing the piss out of them. Those guys just have to change oil and filters and do valve checks for the most part in the first 75 hours.
Jump back in bed....roll to the other side.....get out of bed.
Come on, there's no way some of you guys are so stuck on yourselves that you honestly think you're a better rider than guys like Levi Sherwood, Jared McNeal, etc. . .
If you think these guys can't carry speed around a track, you are delusional.
Your average Weekend warrior freestyle guy can't, generally speaking, get around a track faster than your average weekend warrior racer.
A lot of 450s in fmx but then you have sherwood and pages lightening their 2 strokes in order to do some gnarly shit.
Someone asked if people still do free style...nobody said anything about anyone track skills.
Look, some people think freestyle is lame, some people like it. Difference of opinion. Thinking freestyle is lame doesn't equal saying those that ride it can't ride a track.
Where was the disrespect in my post, just curious?
That being said, I stand by my statement slash question, people still freestyle? Is that still a thing?
You are right I totally suck even though you don't know me or have ever ridden with me, and all those guys would smoke my ass, unless you are talking TP, Degeen and his boy, twitch and a few others at the top then I would disagree ... im old but can hold my own still even if for a limited time.
Much thanks any way!
Much ty.
Pit Row
Don't care if they can still ride on a track....
Posting shit about "free style" (please for the love of god call it anything besides) motocross is about as relevant as bowling is to actual motocross.
Hell, bowling has more in common with motocross because like motocross RACING, it takes big balls.
I imagine the torque of a 450 would be a huge assist in flipping, plus as previously mentioned much better traction.
I remember hearing alot of freestyle guys bitch about having to rejet their 2t and still have em bogging and running poorly esp a series like the x fighters when they were doing shows all over the globe at diff sea levels
That and going overseas to find a clapped out smoker to ride. At least the guys that switched were always on updated bikes.
As for freestyle guys getting around a track, "most" pros are better than you would expect. I can't speak for any weekend warriors, because I personally don't know any. Almost all FMX guys grew up racing at a pretty high amateur level, and some even local, or really good pros. Myself, I was a decent B guy who could have became a really shitty local pro and if I worked really hard, probably could of at least made a 40 man gate, but unfortunately being a 17 year old kid with no money and a strong BMX dirt jumping background......FMX paychecks took over. Plus the freedom and money from FMX allowed me to race and ride tracks far more than ever before. I recently got 3rd overall at the 2-Stroke world championships at Glen Helen in 30+ Pro, so I am not doing too bad (on my 125).
With that out of the way, 2-Stroke vs 4-Stroke.
I hated 4 Strokes. Said I would never ride one.
Then in 2010 I bought a YZ450F because they looked crazy and I wanted a bike to hit the tracks and trails since I was destroying my 125 all the time. I loved it. I hit the ramps on it for shits and giggles, did all my tricks, flipped it and never looked back. There really isn't a reason to ride a 450 since the 250 2-stroke is almost the perfect bike for FMX, but they do have newer technology, handle great, and overall, are much easier to ride.
450 Pros:
- power, too much is never a bad thing on tight run-ups and courses.
- fuel injection. no explanation needed.
- they handle better in the air. I can whip my KXF far, far better than my YZ250, why? I have no idea. You don't feel the weight of the bike as much as you would think when you are literally floating. Also, I think the overall handling, balance and geometry of the bikes has had to improve somewhat in the last 12 years since the latest-gen YZ...
- no premix. no race gas. Running easy to find pump gas and having the thing run solid is very nice.
Cons:
- engine breaking. Number one worst thing. This is what makes me choose the 2-stroke over the 4 for FMX. In the air, it is constantly moving. The front end dips almost no matter what you do. You can compensate and get used to it, but it happens. I don't really like it. You can put a 250 where you want and it just stays. Every FMXer I have talked to struggles with certain tricks in this aspect after switching since you almost have to re-learn everything.
- weight. Yeah, you don't notice it much but certain tricks where you are pulling a bike back under you that is 25 lbs heavier is noticeable.
- travel. It used to be that when I started riding 4-Strokes, if you are going to say Asia, or South America finding the exotic YZ450 was impossible. I kept a set of YZ250 suspension and would switch back during this period for this reason since there is almost always an abundance of these bikes wherever you go. Nowadays, it is almost a pro, since finding a decent 4 stroke is usually easier since 2-Strokes are slowly getting weeded out or you find a clapped out 06. A clapped out 2013-14 KXF is probably going to be better to jump than a 06 YZ250 in Mexico or China....
So, it basically comes down to personal preference. I rode 4-Strokes almost entirely until last year when I built a YZ250 to go to China to do shows for 2 months. After riding it, I liked it better than the 450 and decided to stick with it. Immediately after I ended up going to China to ride a 16 KXF for 2 months. I got back and still liked my YZ better. They flip the same depending on your flip style. I ride whatever depending on where I am going and what they have available. I have a full FMX setup (GPR Stabilizer, Airbox, Seat, Suspension) for 2013-15 KXF, 16-18 KXF, and my current YZ250. Takes a little adjusting but thats the way I have always done it.
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