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C50 Dcross829 Quote
8/6/2017 5:30 PM

Will ktm switch to an aluminum frame? What more can they do to the current bike to make it better?

C50_profile_1424660203 ML512 Quote
8/6/2017 6:06 PM

No aluminum frame. Expect updated chassis, swingarms, engines, and bodywork.

Vital MX's Do-All Minion...

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C50 Dcross829 Quote
8/7/2017 3:22 PM
ML512 wrote:

No aluminum frame. Expect ...more

Awesome really happy to here there sticking with the steel frame heard in one of keefers pods he was hoping they stuck with steel frames in the future made me think he might no they were switching to aluminum

C50_ignition_system_points_1468974232 Dirty Points Quote
8/7/2017 3:29 PM

Is the 2018 even available yet?

C50_husqvarna_250_tc_2017_2_1492377431 kiwifan Quote
8/7/2017 3:39 PM

A change to an aluminium frame would be a weight gain, so cant see it happening, plus the current frame seems to be fine...

Current ride: 2017 CRF450RX and 2017 TC250
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500
Road bike: 2016 Ninja H2R - looking to replace...not sure yet what to get

C50 inthebadboycorner Quote
8/7/2017 4:16 PM

Which would be cheaper to mass produce, steel or alluminium?

C50_mxon_maggiora_nl697_saturday_1474847906 colintrax Quote
8/7/2017 4:19 PM
inthebadboycorner wrote:

Which would be cheaper to ...more

Aluminum is cheaper, steel offers a better feel on the track. Honda sold us the aluminum frame idea on "weight" when really they meant "saves us money"

C50_husqvarna_250_tc_2017_2_1492377431 kiwifan Quote
8/7/2017 4:29 PM
inthebadboycorner wrote:

Which would be cheaper to ...more

colintrax wrote:

Aluminum is cheaper, steel ...more

to be fair...all Japanese manufacturers sold us on the aluminium frames....some could be thankful of that, as their bikes are cheaper

also you can argue the Suzuki has a better chassis than a steel framed bike....

Current ride: 2017 CRF450RX and 2017 TC250
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500
Road bike: 2016 Ninja H2R - looking to replace...not sure yet what to get

C50_engine.f_1455853935 BobPA Quote
8/7/2017 4:50 PM
kiwifan wrote:

to be fair...all Japanese ...more

Suzuki chassis better...Ha

The new Honda chassis is better than the Zuk, and IMO so is the Kawi

Jason Anderson FTW

C50_co0zxl8_1486240359 kott0n Quote
8/7/2017 5:03 PM

I still curse Honda for making me think the 1997 Cr250 was the new hotness. I will admit the motor was stellar.

I would love to ride a modern steel frame.

C50_ignition_system_points_1468974232 Dirty Points Quote
8/7/2017 5:07 PM
inthebadboycorner wrote:

Which would be cheaper to ...more

What type of steel? What type of aluminum? What design methodology? What manufacturing technology?

C50 mxjeff575 Quote
8/7/2017 5:25 PM
Dcross829 wrote:

Will ktm switch to an ...more

ML512 wrote:

No aluminum frame. Expect ...more

I'm excited to see the new design. What is the rough time-frame that the 2018.5FE details get released?

Motocross....a once in a lifetime experience....every weekend.

C50_husqvarna_250_tc_2017_2_1492377431 kiwifan Quote
8/7/2017 5:26 PM
colintrax wrote:

Aluminum is cheaper, steel ...more

kiwifan wrote:

to be fair...all Japanese ...more

BobPA wrote:

Suzuki chassis better...Ha ...more

lol shit if I said the Honda was better everyone would say typical of me saying that lol I wouldn't dare regardless if I thought it was true or not, Vital has programmed me that way lol

Current ride: 2017 CRF450RX and 2017 TC250
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500
Road bike: 2016 Ninja H2R - looking to replace...not sure yet what to get

C50_jessy1_1471467436 CarlinoJoeVideo Quote
8/7/2017 5:29 PM
Dcross829 wrote:

Will ktm switch to an ...more

ML512 wrote:

No aluminum frame. Expect ...more

mxjeff575 wrote:

I'm excited to see the new ...more

Released around the start of January but in stores March, April, May?

C50_2017_05_30_12_45_27_1496192084 Dinosaur Media Quote
8/7/2017 5:30 PM

Has anyone done a study to monitor the stretch in the steel frame? Is it an issue? Davi was on pulpmx one night talking about how much different his race bike felt compared to his practice bike...

C50_ignition_system_points_1468974232 Dirty Points Quote
8/7/2017 5:42 PM
Dinosaur Media wrote:

Has anyone done a study to ...more

How does one even study that? I guarantee a couple things through: (1)it definitely effects Davi more than you, (2) the Japanese engineers absolutely hate that level of unpredictability, whether favorable to riding or not.

C50_16939630_1415773645109434_8808431859531075103_n_1499042501 Cygrace74 Quote
8/7/2017 5:57 PM

Have had 3 cracked KTM frames in my shop in the last 2 months. All on the steering stem, all 2017's, they need to improve.

C50_cr500004 scooter5002 Quote
8/7/2017 6:02 PM

Aluminum frames are revenge for Midway, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. Putting my 07 Zook together, and working on it, is a major pain in the ASS. Just adjusting shock preload requires more patience than the Dhali Llama. My CR's are a dream to work on, in comparison.

C50_yamatacoblue_1426773073 Bultaco Quote
8/7/2017 6:09 PM
kott0n wrote:

I still curse Honda for ...more

Do you still have the tool box? :-)

C50_images_1390697951 r.sal923 Quote
8/7/2017 7:21 PM
kott0n wrote:

I still curse Honda for ...more

When some one says "1997 cr250" my teeth chatter

C50_img_1291_1490419411 bvm111 Quote
8/7/2017 9:16 PM
kott0n wrote:

I still curse Honda for ...more

r.sal923 wrote:

When some one says "1997 ...more

And all my scar tissue around my injuries from that thing starts to tighten up and hurt... my right shoulder and rotator cuff still give me problems when the temp changes!!!

Never try to argue with idiots; they will only bring you down to their level.....and being more experienced, they will beat you at their own game!

2016 KX450f
2006 KX250

C50_jessy1_1471467436 CarlinoJoeVideo Quote
8/7/2017 11:01 PM
Cygrace74 wrote:

Have had 3 cracked KTM ...more

Any photos?

C50_img_1050_1505491957 pete24 Quote
8/8/2017 5:11 AM
kott0n wrote:

I still curse Honda for ...more

Bultaco wrote:

Do you still have the tool ...more

the tool box came in 98 i have mine still

C50_2017_05_30_12_45_27_1496192084 Dinosaur Media Quote
8/8/2017 7:18 AM
Dinosaur Media wrote:

Has anyone done a study to ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

How does one even study ...more

One can start with a tape measure...

C50_2017_05_30_12_45_27_1496192084 Dinosaur Media Quote
8/8/2017 7:21 AM

Just noting thst it is common knowledge that steel frames stretch over time. As soneone paying for my bikes thst is a concern! The rate of the stretch is yet undetermined as speed weight and frequency of use will obviously determine this. Would not expect an honest answer from KTM or anyone else with a vested interest...

C50_2017_05_30_12_45_27_1496192084 Dinosaur Media Quote
8/8/2017 7:23 AM

As an aside "dirt points" I would imagine it affects Davi more than you...unless of course you are making suprcross mains? But c'mon back to the point at hand...

C50_rip_beach_shot TeamGreen Quote
8/8/2017 8:02 AM

I think the only new 450 frames for '18 are Suzuki and Yamaha (including 2018.5).

"Pearls and swine bereft of me. Long and weary my road has been."
Chris Cornell, 1964-2017

C50_img_0010_1492099119 Bramlett321 Quote
8/8/2017 10:11 AM
Dcross829 wrote:

Will ktm switch to an ...more

kiwifan wrote:

A change to an aluminium ...more

I agree I sure hope they never do that

C50_me_1433717282 moto0852 Quote
8/8/2017 10:38 AM

He said, "Aluminum frame" and "better" in the same sentence. lol

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C50_2014_04_11_22.55.15_1413514143 Johnny Depp Quote
8/26/2017 3:29 PM
Dinosaur Media wrote:

Has anyone done a study to ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

How does one even study ...more

Dinosaur Media wrote:

One can start with a tape ...more

Frame development is quite sophisticated. This isn't stretch, but flex in the example I'm giving here.
Here is the older Beta frame (steel) vs. the new 2018. There is still ongoing development in chassis.





I don't know if they dialed in more or less flex, but they did it on purpose with CAD.

2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

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