10 Year Neck Brace Study Results

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CG118 12/7/2018 1:53pm
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Thanks for posting that Maverick. Very interesting. Finally SOME kind of long term study.
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Naanak 12/7/2018 1:53pm
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I wear one but they really are uncomfortable and restrict movement.
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skypig 12/7/2018 1:55pm
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Good to see a little science involved.
Shoots down a lot of the urban myths.

Looks like: Wearing a neck brace is good for safety.
So, don’t wear one if you don’t want to, but don’t cite negative safety concerns in your decision.
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HenryA 12/7/2018 1:55pm
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This is what everyone has been asking for, got to love data.

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Barry_Smith 12/7/2018 1:58pm
12/7/2018 1:58pm
We also need to bear in mind that the quality and protection of neck braces varies from brand-to-brand, model-to-model. So with the most effective modern brace(s), the data would be even more compelling.

Well, time to start wearing my brace again.
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dh893 12/7/2018 2:03pm
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Naanak wrote:
I wear one but they really are uncomfortable and restrict movement.
Either you don't wear an Atlas brace or you're the big necked fella the internet has been talking about for weeks:

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mattyhamz2 12/7/2018 2:07pm
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Naanak wrote:
I wear one but they really are uncomfortable and restrict movement.
dh893 wrote:
Either you don't wear an Atlas brace or you're the big necked fella the internet has been talking about for weeks: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/07/308310/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img]
Either you don't wear an Atlas brace or you're the big necked fella the internet has been talking about for weeks:

Lol idk why I didn't expect this at some point
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brimx153 12/7/2018 2:09pm
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I 've tried on all neck braces , all of them for me

Stop me looking up hills and far enough ahead
They are all uncomfortable
They all restrict movement
None of the for right

How is this misinformation, everybody is made differently . I am sure some people dont even feel the things when there on. But it is not misinformation to say that a lot of people suffer from these complaints and that's why they don't wear them .
There is Ton s of riders I see riding with them who just can see up . Without moving there whole body to look up. Imo that's more dangerous that not wearing one ,
Again u could have a neck like Marv, in that case it is my going to stop you from any movement .then wear one all u want imo
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Naanak 12/7/2018 2:11pm
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Naanak wrote:
I wear one but they really are uncomfortable and restrict movement.
dh893 wrote:
Either you don't wear an Atlas brace or you're the big necked fella the internet has been talking about for weeks: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/07/308310/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img]
Either you don't wear an Atlas brace or you're the big necked fella the internet has been talking about for weeks:

mattyhamz2 wrote:
Lol idk why I didn't expect this at some point
Haha not an atlas the newer leatt. It’s worth it to wear it but I still find it less comfy then without.
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brimx153 12/7/2018 2:13pm
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One more thing that was my took into account, is how many % wear neck braces. Here I'd say it's 80% don't And 20 % do so there is going to be a higher avg of people falling off without them
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seth505 12/7/2018 2:21pm
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Fall and have your collarbone hit something, then fall and have a pliable thing between your collarbone and the thing you hit.
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Prntscrn 12/7/2018 2:22pm
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Personally I believe they do more good than harm but I would never wear a Leatt brace
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crusty_xx 12/7/2018 2:23pm
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These numbers mean nothing if not put in relation of how many people wear a brace compared to the ones that don't wear a brace...

1000 times more people get hurt with a car compared to a jetpack.
So jetpacks are safer now?
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seth505 12/7/2018 2:29pm
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haha, I agree with you. It's not necessarily the most conclusive scientific study but either way it's probably not going to change many peoples minds on what they already think.
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drt410 12/7/2018 2:32pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
These numbers mean nothing if not put in relation of how many people wear a brace compared to the ones that don't wear a brace... 1000...
These numbers mean nothing if not put in relation of how many people wear a brace compared to the ones that don't wear a brace...

1000 times more people get hurt with a car compared to a jetpack.
So jetpacks are safer now?
Yea so what do the results look like if the number of riders using one and not using one are equal. Thats the results which will show if it is much safer or not.
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MPJC 12/7/2018 2:33pm
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Prntscrn wrote:
Personally I believe they do more good than harm but I would never wear a Leatt brace
What precisely does "personally" add to the phrase "I believe"? Is it a way of saying "I'm going to believe this evidence be damned"?
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wideopen198 12/7/2018 2:35pm
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The statistics about the collarbone break literally mean nothing. So there were more people without a neck brace who broke their collarbone? Still doesn't prove that a neck brace doesn't break collarbones.
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Prntscrn 12/7/2018 2:38pm
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Prntscrn wrote:
Personally I believe they do more good than harm but I would never wear a Leatt brace
MPJC wrote:
What precisely does "personally" add to the phrase "I believe"? Is it a way of saying "I'm going to believe this evidence be damned"?
Nej det betyder bara att jag tror att det har fler fördelar än nackdelar.
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MPJC 12/7/2018 2:39pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
These numbers mean nothing if not put in relation of how many people wear a brace compared to the ones that don't wear a brace... 1000...
These numbers mean nothing if not put in relation of how many people wear a brace compared to the ones that don't wear a brace...

1000 times more people get hurt with a car compared to a jetpack.
So jetpacks are safer now?
drt410 wrote:
Yea so what do the results look like if the number of riders using one and not using one are equal. Thats the results which will...
Yea so what do the results look like if the number of riders using one and not using one are equal. Thats the results which will show if it is much safer or not.
You guys can't be serious. The data specifies the total number, the number wearing a brace, and the number not wearing a brace, and calculates the likelihood of death or injury of brace vs no brace on that basis, given the numbers of injuries or deaths occurring. Are you actually suggesting that you need a sample in which the number of brace users vs. non-brace users is equal - that you can't compensate for the differences with simple math?
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mattyhamz2 12/7/2018 2:41pm
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What about the riders that died from casing a jump and their neck braces hitting the bars shoving into their throats?


I personally will never wear another brace with the front portion closed. Had a Leatt shove into my throat during a crash and never wore one again. I did wear an Omega for a bit which was much nicer and was open in the front, but wouldn't work all that great with a chest protector.
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Xeno 12/7/2018 2:45pm
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Thanks for posting this Maverick
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aroark247 12/7/2018 2:54pm
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This seems more like a bold attempt to advertise the use of neck braces. So many things in this test are skewed, all the way from the sample size to the specific injuries it took into account.

THE MOST IMPORTANT thing not even mentioned is whether or not more traumatic brain injuries were caused by use of neck braces.
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erik_94COBRA 12/7/2018 2:55pm
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Interesting information.

However, it leaves out A LOT of details. Rider skill, event type, crash type, etc.

Looking at the headline numbers there were 1076 total cervical spinal injuries in the 8529 total injuries. That seems really high. Over a 12% chance of a cervical spinal injury of some type in a crash? Seems unlikely.

And just over a 2% chance of critical injury without wearing a neckbrace. Maybe.

I'll manage my risk in other ways.
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bvm111 12/7/2018 3:02pm
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thanks Mav!

Very interesting read for sure!

I choose to wear an Atlas and will continue to wear one. I know there will be people that wont and that is their choice, but you cant argue with the data in this report.
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aroark247 12/7/2018 3:04pm
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Almost every single doctor I've ever talked to about braces says the same thing "that energy has to go somewhere".

Your neck is naturally made to flex in order to prevent certain levels of damage to your head. With a brace on, that flex is not possible the way it was meant, causing a generally harder more concentrated blow to the head. Which can in turn lead to more traumatic brain injuries and death.

IMHO if they would have studied this and shown that my theory of this is false or not supported, then I might be willing to change my opinion that they are more dangerous than they are safe.
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PRM31 12/7/2018 3:13pm
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By spreading the force of the helmet when it compresses. That’s exactly how I broke mine once. I brace might have helped.
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DrSweden 12/7/2018 3:13pm
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It made sense on paper, during those pre testing (Leatt). I bough one day one, and have upgraded to newer model, have newer rode a moto without one after that. This is the report I was waiting for, if it's valid, as in true (I paid no time ot figure out who made it and why, paid by whom) to smash any doubts I had. While there are always new questions, science is to keep going, ask new question, nothing here suggests they didn't deliver on their promises. I think we have a lot of people still riding, having normal lives because of this device. But 100%? Nothing is.

THANK YOU!
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MPJC 12/7/2018 3:18pm
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aroark247 wrote:
Almost every single doctor I've ever talked to about braces says the same thing "that energy has to go somewhere". Your neck is naturally made to...
Almost every single doctor I've ever talked to about braces says the same thing "that energy has to go somewhere".

Your neck is naturally made to flex in order to prevent certain levels of damage to your head. With a brace on, that flex is not possible the way it was meant, causing a generally harder more concentrated blow to the head. Which can in turn lead to more traumatic brain injuries and death.

IMHO if they would have studied this and shown that my theory of this is false or not supported, then I might be willing to change my opinion that they are more dangerous than they are safe.
What you are saying sounds perfectly sensible. It is what seems to be the case when you think about it. The thing that makes data so valuable is it often shows us that what seems to be the case is not in fact the case. The simplest explanation of the data is that neck braces enhance safety. For a denial of that to be believable, it would require an alternative explanation of the data - one that is both simple (i.e. not ad hoc or contrived solely for the purpose of saving a supposition) and possessing at least as much explanatory power.
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