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it occurred to me today the small number of 150 4 strokes that race in the 85cc class. carson mumford being one of the only guys that I can really think of that competes on one at a top level in amateurs
just wondering what other peoples thoughts are on four stroke mini bikes and maybe why there hasn't been a push from other manufacturers to put something out. I always thought when honda came out with its race bike that it was going to be extremely competitive and the rest of the brands would follow but it's almost like the complete opposite has happened
I would think they can make a 150 as fast or even faster then and 85 two-stroke and it would be a great transition to big bikes considering they are both four strokes
or actually, am I completely wrong about this and they can only race in the supermini class? 150 can race with 85s right?
just wondering what other peoples thoughts are on four stroke mini bikes and maybe why there hasn't been a push from other manufacturers to put something out. I always thought when honda came out with its race bike that it was going to be extremely competitive and the rest of the brands would follow but it's almost like the complete opposite has happened
I would think they can make a 150 as fast or even faster then and 85 two-stroke and it would be a great transition to big bikes considering they are both four strokes
or actually, am I completely wrong about this and they can only race in the supermini class? 150 can race with 85s right?
The biggest factor in keeping my boy on the 2 stroke as long as possible was costs. Top ends on a 85 are cheap. That 150 costs basically the same as the 4 strokes to work on.
It wasn't a problem for us, but I have seen smaller kids struggle with starting that 150.
150 can not race in an AMA 85 class. It is supermini only. Most local outlaw races allow it though.....
The Shop
I think I recall the 150 being dyno'd at around 21 / 23 HP when they first came out, depending on the Dyno / Operator.
It would be interesting to see what Tuners get out of them, but they do seem to get pretty fragile when breathed on - like any motor , but seemingly more so than most.
Honda could have followed the rules that were in place that allowed 125 4ts (in the US - AMA I think had that) against 85cc 2ts, but no, they thought they'd be able to 'create' a new set of rules. Plenty of Federations got on their knees, as usual, to Honda, but a few told them to go fuck themselves, and, some Federations said no from the get go.
Like most Minicycles, they've left them the same for a long time, so, they might just be making a reasonable profit on them. My local Honda and Suzuki shop has a steady tick over on them, just as they do with the RM85s.
It is actually by far the most reliable bike in the 85cc class.
Pit Row
i think theyre sick bikes. should you only ride a 150 and never an 85? no. you need to learn on a 2 stroke.
When you have a 2 stroke pinned at 12,000 rpm, you're the shit. Life is all sketched out and you're feel'n it. There's just no comparison.
At 12k even if you're not goin fast, you feel like you are!!! (we do this for fun, rite?)
That's the end of the thread.
Watchin the Assen GP from a spectators camera sounds like a gang bathroom after the breakfast buffet at a fkn nursing home, not a mx race.
Old school bias aside, hell ya a 2T will make you a better rider. You can learn the fine touch of slipping/feathering the clutch to proceed, or rely on a $12k fart can w/ traction control & more MBPS processing than Apollo13 to do it for you. Oh and don't forget the "holeshot device BS". Hannah would shove that up ur azz and still holeshot you.
THIS and THAT ..
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