Kind of sucks to see him say that it will go to KTM platforms and engines... It will lose the GasGas personality completely. Suspension and handling on the current GasGas is fantastic.
I get it, when you has the $$, you makes the calls....
I agree with Press516, makes the most business sense and the bikes will lose 20 lbs. but I was really hoping for a proper 200 based on a 125 chassis and something unique like a 400 2T.
Casting essentially the same motorcycles as new brands was a masterstroke.
It becomes inefficient if you let quality slip as we saw with the Detroit automakers, but I suspect GasGas will just add to their strength and overall share.
Thanks for the link - interesting read. Shame that GasGas will be yet another branded KTM, but as he says it works in the car world with VAG so why not in Motorcycles too? Looking forward to seeing the full range of GasGas MX bikes in MXGP - more factory rides can't be a bad thing!
Very interesting - they made great bikes for enduro/offroad and I dont get why KTM is just flooding the market with their own bikes in different guises. If people dont like the feel of a KTM they will now write off GasGas and Husky too.
Why not keep GasGas as a brand unique - introduce it to the GNCC or Worcs arenas where they have got tons of existing R&D data which is a directly transferable...
Making Red KT-GGs' will be a good business model, just as is making KTHuskies.
Hard to argue against that.
But, it saddens me to see a unique bike brand essentially, dissapear.
Though, I'd guess they won't mess with the Trials engines / bikes, much, at all.
If only because I see - and Peirer alluded to - the fact that Trials will probably be the most rapid 'change over' to all Electric. It's the perfect branch of the sport for it. Though, SX and RBSR - which may well become the successor to 'SX'
- are the next most suited to E Bike usage.........
I've truly enjoyed seeing Kovar out there, in the EMX250 class (at times) and EMX300 and now EMX2T classes the last couple of seasons on the Gas Gas. That big bearded bloke is bloody quick, on an Enduro bike. He was on a 4t at the MXDN - I wonder if it was because 250 / 300 2ts were still not regarded as an 'Open' bike. A 300 would have been pretty good in those conditions. Though, the 450KTM (I think) he was on, was probably lighter than the GG.
First i have to add to the consensus here that i am deeply saddened that Gas Gas is losing its charm and despite the info that KTM won't affect them (issued like two weeks ago) they are making them it into Husqvarna.... or maybe Husaberg.
If the rumours that KTM wants to make one of their supported teams into Factory Gas Gas in 2020 true, who would they make Gas Gas factory team? Below you can see the keyboardvomit that came into my mind without any hints or sources - a.k.a. just a rant.
The first team that comes in mind would be Standing Construct but Hoff there has contract directly with KTM. That would be a little poopy if you ask me. And Standing Construct has team only for MXGP
The second option that came into my head is czech JD Gunnex racing team... Now, listen a minute... I try to not toot my own horn very, very hard here *starts sweating*.... but they are already familiar with Spain, spent good chunk of time in spring in bootcamp of Jose Butron and are stil linked to sign him for 2020. But wait, there is more. They have also riders in MX2 and since Petr Polák did get the boot lately, there is atleast one free place where they could place idk... Ruben Fernandéz (idk if he hasn't aged out of MX2)... and boom. Bob is your spanish uncle.
The third option would be Marchetti racing. They have riders in MXGP and MX2 but they already announced the team and look set sail under the orange banner.
One way or another the world looks a bit dimmer because with another colour variation of KTM there is a dusk of aluminium (frames) ahead.
So now we have orange, white, and red KTMs that will be competing.
Guess its easy to win when the same bike takes up 50% of...
So now we have orange, white, and red KTMs that will be competing.
Guess its easy to win when the same bike takes up 50% of the field.
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built...
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.
Well yea all of that goes without saying.
But 1 company taking up 50% of the field turns racing into a numbers game rather than a race between mfgs.
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built...
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built...
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.
The riders have a choice as to what brand they ride. If it happens to be a bike built in Austria, so be it.
So justin bogle is going to choose to make $50,000 less per year on a private team just because he wants to be on a honda rather than joining RMATVMC KTM? They dont have a choice. They go where the money is.
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built...
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.
Well yea all of that goes without saying.
But 1 company taking up 50% of the field turns racing into a numbers game rather than a...
Well yea all of that goes without saying.
But 1 company taking up 50% of the field turns racing into a numbers game rather than a race between mfgs.
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done nothing but great things for this sport.
Vital: “we need more factory teams. These guys deserve to get paid!!”
Ktm: “we hear you loud and clear vital. We’re gonna get these guys on a bunch of different teams and bikes to give them the best chance possible to succeed. While doing so we also want our company to be highly successful.
Vital: fuck ktm. They offer too many bikes in different brands/colors. They need to stop paying these athletes money to ride their bikes because the majority will be on those brands rather than my beloved Suzuki’s!
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done...
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done nothing but great things for this sport.
Vital: “we need more factory teams. These guys deserve to get paid!!”
Ktm: “we hear you loud and clear vital. We’re gonna get these guys on a bunch of different teams and bikes to give them the best chance possible to succeed. While doing so we also want our company to be highly successful.
Vital: fuck ktm. They offer too many bikes in different brands/colors. They need to stop paying these athletes money to ride their bikes because the majority will be on those brands rather than my beloved Suzuki’s!
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done...
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done nothing but great things for this sport.
Vital: “we need more factory teams. These guys deserve to get paid!!”
Ktm: “we hear you loud and clear vital. We’re gonna get these guys on a bunch of different teams and bikes to give them the best chance possible to succeed. While doing so we also want our company to be highly successful.
Vital: fuck ktm. They offer too many bikes in different brands/colors. They need to stop paying these athletes money to ride their bikes because the majority will be on those brands rather than my beloved Suzuki’s!
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done...
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done nothing but great things for this sport.
Vital: “we need more factory teams. These guys deserve to get paid!!”
Ktm: “we hear you loud and clear vital. We’re gonna get these guys on a bunch of different teams and bikes to give them the best chance possible to succeed. While doing so we also want our company to be highly successful.
Vital: fuck ktm. They offer too many bikes in different brands/colors. They need to stop paying these athletes money to ride their bikes because the majority will be on those brands rather than my beloved Suzuki’s!
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built...
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done...
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done nothing but great things for this sport.
Vital: “we need more factory teams. These guys deserve to get paid!!”
Ktm: “we hear you loud and clear vital. We’re gonna get these guys on a bunch of different teams and bikes to give them the best chance possible to succeed. While doing so we also want our company to be highly successful.
Vital: fuck ktm. They offer too many bikes in different brands/colors. They need to stop paying these athletes money to ride their bikes because the majority will be on those brands rather than my beloved Suzuki’s!
Yea youre correct. But that still doesnt change the numbers game. Its all a business strategy. Take up 1/2 the field and always win = more sales until you buy a 4th brand and put 4 identical bikes on the gate.
Eventually the racing goes from a battle of riders and manufacturers to only riders all riding the same bike. Then all the best riders are signed on by the same company which leaves others like suzuki unable to be competitive and ultimately drop out of racing like theyre already doing.
What happens when you got 10 factory KTM guys all on different “brands” and them forming a giant roadblock to skew the outcomes of races.
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built...
Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.
It would be fun to see the whole KTM group drop out of racing for 2 seasons. GuyB would have to remove 10 "There aren't enough rides out there" and "Poor riders" threads per day.
What KTM group has done for racing worldwide is nothing but admirable. It's not their fault that they spend more money on racing compared to all the other brands.
Kind of sucks to see him say that it will go to KTM platforms and engines... It will lose the GasGas personality completely. Suspension and handling...
Kind of sucks to see him say that it will go to KTM platforms and engines... It will lose the GasGas personality completely. Suspension and handling on the current GasGas is fantastic.
I get it, when you has the $$, you makes the calls....
Yea because Gas Gas are flying off the showroom floors.
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done...
No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done nothing but great things for this sport.
Vital: “we need more factory teams. These guys deserve to get paid!!”
Ktm: “we hear you loud and clear vital. We’re gonna get these guys on a bunch of different teams and bikes to give them the best chance possible to succeed. While doing so we also want our company to be highly successful.
Vital: fuck ktm. They offer too many bikes in different brands/colors. They need to stop paying these athletes money to ride their bikes because the majority will be on those brands rather than my beloved Suzuki’s!
Yea youre correct. But that still doesnt change the numbers game. Its all a business strategy. Take up 1/2 the field and always win = more...
Yea youre correct. But that still doesnt change the numbers game. Its all a business strategy. Take up 1/2 the field and always win = more sales until you buy a 4th brand and put 4 identical bikes on the gate.
Eventually the racing goes from a battle of riders and manufacturers to only riders all riding the same bike. Then all the best riders are signed on by the same company which leaves others like suzuki unable to be competitive and ultimately drop out of racing like theyre already doing.
What happens when you got 10 factory KTM guys all on different “brands” and them forming a giant roadblock to skew the outcomes of races.
That has got to be one of the craziest things I’ve ever read.
I get it, when you has the $$, you makes the calls....
Casting essentially the same motorcycles as new brands was a masterstroke.
It becomes inefficient if you let quality slip as we saw with the Detroit automakers, but I suspect GasGas will just add to their strength and overall share.
The Shop
Why not keep GasGas as a brand unique - introduce it to the GNCC or Worcs arenas where they have got tons of existing R&D data which is a directly transferable...
Hard to argue against that.
But, it saddens me to see a unique bike brand essentially, dissapear.
Though, I'd guess they won't mess with the Trials engines / bikes, much, at all.
If only because I see - and Peirer alluded to - the fact that Trials will probably be the most rapid 'change over' to all Electric. It's the perfect branch of the sport for it. Though, SX and RBSR - which may well become the successor to 'SX' - are the next most suited to E Bike usage.........
I've truly enjoyed seeing Kovar out there, in the EMX250 class (at times) and EMX300 and now EMX2T classes the last couple of seasons on the Gas Gas. That big bearded bloke is bloody quick, on an Enduro bike. He was on a 4t at the MXDN - I wonder if it was because 250 / 300 2ts were still not regarded as an 'Open' bike. A 300 would have been pretty good in those conditions. Though, the 450KTM (I think) he was on, was probably lighter than the GG.
If the rumours that KTM wants to make one of their supported teams into Factory Gas Gas in 2020 true, who would they make Gas Gas factory team? Below you can see the keyboardvomit that came into my mind without any hints or sources - a.k.a. just a rant.
The first team that comes in mind would be Standing Construct but Hoff there has contract directly with KTM. That would be a little poopy if you ask me. And Standing Construct has team only for MXGP
The second option that came into my head is czech JD Gunnex racing team... Now, listen a minute... I try to not toot my own horn very, very hard here *starts sweating*.... but they are already familiar with Spain, spent good chunk of time in spring in bootcamp of Jose Butron and are stil linked to sign him for 2020. But wait, there is more. They have also riders in MX2 and since Petr Polák did get the boot lately, there is atleast one free place where they could place idk... Ruben Fernandéz (idk if he hasn't aged out of MX2)... and boom. Bob is your spanish uncle.
The third option would be Marchetti racing. They have riders in MXGP and MX2 but they already announced the team and look set sail under the orange banner.
One way or another the world looks a bit dimmer because with another colour variation of KTM there is a dusk of aluminium (frames) ahead.
Guess its easy to win when the same bike takes up 50% of the field.
But 1 company taking up 50% of the field turns racing into a numbers game rather than a race between mfgs.
Vital: “we need more factory teams. These guys deserve to get paid!!”
Ktm: “we hear you loud and clear vital. We’re gonna get these guys on a bunch of different teams and bikes to give them the best chance possible to succeed. While doing so we also want our company to be highly successful.
Vital: fuck ktm. They offer too many bikes in different brands/colors. They need to stop paying these athletes money to ride their bikes because the majority will be on those brands rather than my beloved Suzuki’s!
Pit Row
Eventually the racing goes from a battle of riders and manufacturers to only riders all riding the same bike. Then all the best riders are signed on by the same company which leaves others like suzuki unable to be competitive and ultimately drop out of racing like theyre already doing.
What happens when you got 10 factory KTM guys all on different “brands” and them forming a giant roadblock to skew the outcomes of races.
Just have to open up the wallet and support more riders/teams.
What KTM group has done for racing worldwide is nothing but admirable. It's not their fault that they spend more money on racing compared to all the other brands.
I’m gonna go ride my white KTM now.
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