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capeway215 capeway215
10/13/2020 12:10 PM

Where do they end up?

Lawrence Brothers - staying honda 250
Craig - star
Jmart - PC
Shimoda - ?
Mumford - ?
Yoder - ?

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tonyd811 tonyd811
10/13/2020 12:18 PM
capeway215 wrote:

Where do they end up?

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Some of the podcasts suggest Shimoda at Phoenix Racing, Mumford at FXR Chap Honda (both with Honda direct support). Not sure about Yoder.

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mb60 mb60
10/13/2020 12:23 PM

Interesting you bring up Phoenix racing. Will they be the next 250 effort for a Honda ?

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davis224 davis224
10/13/2020 12:26 PM

Speaking of Phoenix racing, I just saw Jace Owen left and is on a ClubMX bike now. I'd like to see if he can get some top 10s

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sandtrack315 sandtrack315
10/13/2020 12:30 PM

How does Honda support work now? Were they giving that much money to Gieco? You'd hope that they could supply that many riders with bikes / resources, just spread across different teams now.

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hubbardmx50 hubbardmx50
10/13/2020 12:55 PM

Carson Mumford showed some serious speed and really surprised me this season. I hope something works out for him. Would there be room for him on PC?

Don't ever let facts get in the way of a great story

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deanwhite51 deanwhite51
10/13/2020 2:40 PM

There was word of Penrite Honda stepping in and getting some support from Honda.

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devindavisphoto devindavisphoto
10/13/2020 2:42 PM

Wow, what a bummer. So much talent potentially left on lesser equipment due to the team shutting down (no disrespect to teams like Phoenix racing, but we can all agree it isn't Rockstar, Star, TLD, etc)...

It makes you wonder how long the team knew about this since they have so much young talent and even amateur riders on board like Hunter Yoder. Is it entirely due to covid?

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davis224 davis224
10/13/2020 4:01 PM
devindavisphoto wrote:

Wow, what a bummer. So ...more

My guess is a little due to covid, a little due to potential front fender graphics, and a lot due to a new CEO.

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MB109 MB109
10/13/2020 4:35 PM

Saw this in another thread (mxking809)

J-Mart to PC
Jett and Jo to HRC
Hunter to FC lite
Mumford to JGR

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thefactorypilot thefactorypilot
10/13/2020 5:59 PM
devindavisphoto wrote:

Wow, what a bummer. So ...more

davis224 wrote:

My guess is a little due ...more

Front fender graphic? Alias?

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Bot Bot
10/13/2020 6:11 PM
devindavisphoto wrote:

Wow, what a bummer. So ...more

davis224 wrote:

My guess is a little due ...more

thefactorypilot wrote:

Front fender graphic? ...more

Alias is now a CBD company

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davis224 davis224
10/13/2020 6:41 PM
devindavisphoto wrote:

Wow, what a bummer. So ...more

davis224 wrote:

My guess is a little due ...more

thefactorypilot wrote:

Front fender graphic? ...more

Take a scroll through Mike Grondahl's Twitter feed. May have to go back a bit to find it, but there is a lot of... stuff... to sift through. He posted screenshots of exchanges with someone from Geico insisting he rethink his plan to put a certain slogan on the bikes, since as a company they choose not to get behind anything they feel is political.

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quadzrulebro quadzrulebro
10/13/2020 7:03 PM
davis224 wrote:

My guess is a little due ...more

thefactorypilot wrote:

Front fender graphic? ...more

davis224 wrote:

Take a scroll through Mike ...more

Sounds like they may have rolled the dice and lost. I’m pretty sure Alias CBD can’t stroke the check that Geico did.

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MxKing809 MxKing809
10/13/2020 7:05 PM
MB109 wrote:

Saw this in another thread ...more

That’s was a few beers deep guess lol

Washed up moto and enduro weekend warrior.

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skankhunt69 skankhunt69
10/13/2020 7:17 PM

Mumford is testing pc bike with the next couple of weeks.

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Lurk Ing Lurk Ing
10/13/2020 7:21 PM
MB109 wrote:

Saw this in another thread ...more

MxKing809 wrote:

That’s was a few beers ...more

I think you're pretty close but expect Mumford to stay on red for one of the Honda support teams unless another team rolls out the carpet and dollars. He had a great showing at Pala and definitely one to watch with proven AM results and FCR AM team coaching. He's also been riding a 4 stroke longer than most kids.

I bet both ML's and Konsky's phones has been running hot.

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Donkey Kong Donkey Kong
10/13/2020 7:52 PM

The boys should raid the shop for some a-kit and race engines for next season

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yurcho44 yurcho44
10/13/2020 8:22 PM
skankhunt69 wrote:

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Where’d you see or hear of this. I would love for PC to run 6 guys and bring on both J Mart and Mumford. Or maybe bring on A Mart

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hamncheeze hamncheeze
10/13/2020 8:30 PM

While it is a shame that this team is going away, I think we will see some different approaches going forward from this in the 250 class. Look at the guys who had factory bikes in 2020 needing a ride: Hartranft, Drake, Shimoda, Mumford. Garrett Marchbanks already signed for ClubMX. Perhaps this is the beginning of some changes where teams will start pulling away from signing the amateur phenoms and guaranteeing them pro deals. Maybe some guys coming up end up in a more normalized position for where a rookie should start?

Again, it really sucks that FC Honda is leaving the sport but at the same time the current model of amateur to pro is totally flawed. IMO a kid like Jordan Bailey or Mitchell Falk, maybe it serves them better to be turning pro and not ending up on a factory bike with all the pressure that comes along with it. Put them on a ClubMX, Gas Monkey, AJE, or Phoenix and maybe in 2 years they are further ahead than where they've ended up.

Old MXer turned Superfan.

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haydos25 haydos25
10/13/2020 9:08 PM
hamncheeze wrote:

While it is a shame that ...more

I don't really agree with that train of thought.

I fail to see how Jordan Bailey or Mitchell Falk achieve better results on a non factory bike, with minimal testing, no access to test tracks, no financial stability, no trainer, no Mitch Payton's experience to guide them etc. Best case scenario they put out the same results, But that's not getting them the call up to a factory spot, so they fall further down the pecking order the following year and before you know it they're gone from the sport.

I feel the ideal situation is that Bailey and Falk don't get on a factory team until they turn pro, no amateur factory contracts. Would free up some money for the mfg's to put on more riders. But that has issues as well. More of the less affluent stars may tap out from the sport before even making the pro ranks if they had to fund it all the way through.

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Lastander Lastander
10/14/2020 12:14 AM
hamncheeze wrote:

While it is a shame that ...more

Along with that, isnt it possible that Honda splits its support to 2-3 smaller team rather than dumping a shitload on the Geico team?

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Batesy10000 Batesy10000
10/14/2020 1:04 AM

I feel like all of this is a great opportunity for Pro Circuit to get back to there winning ways! They used to be where everyone wanted to be regardless of dollars (within reason) and Mitch dominated when it came to scooping the winning racers and he has always produced a winning bike the only thing that has changed is 2 other highly professional teams being able to scoop the winning racers. Star is still at the top of the heap thanks to the YZF250 but as far as I know PC has Austin, McAdoo (Whackers) and JMart (Hopefully) I am thinking there is budget for at least one more A level athlete who do we think that is ?

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Bjorn645 Bjorn645
10/14/2020 1:58 AM

Sounds like Jmart to PC is not 100%......Although I will be suprised if he doesnt go green - Maybe he wants the HP numbers from Mitch first laughing

Roczen slander bloodhound...

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MxKing809 MxKing809
10/14/2020 5:17 AM
Bjorn645 wrote:

Sounds like Jmart to PC is ...more

J-Mart analyzing the Dyno sheets from Star and PC

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Washed up moto and enduro weekend warrior.

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skankhunt69 skankhunt69
10/14/2020 5:18 AM
skankhunt69 wrote:

Mumford is testing pc bike ...more

yurcho44 wrote:

Where’d you see or hear of ...more

The person works at pc. I’d think that’s a pretty reliable source. It’s just a test I’m sure he won’t be the only one getting to test the bike.

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MxKing809 MxKing809
10/14/2020 5:28 AM
skankhunt69 wrote:

Mumford is testing pc bike ...more

yurcho44 wrote:

Where’d you see or hear of ...more

skankhunt69 wrote:

The person works at pc. I’ ...more

I’m also sure PC is hedging their JMart bet if he decides to pick Star over them

Washed up moto and enduro weekend warrior.

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soulberg3 soulberg3
10/14/2020 9:00 AM
yurcho44 wrote:

Where’d you see or hear of ...more

skankhunt69 wrote:

The person works at pc. I’ ...more

MxKing809 wrote:

I’m also sure PC is ...more

I'd love to see Jmart on a kawi, but I would think if Star offers him a ride, it'd have to be too tempting. He won two outdoor titles on a Yamaha, and got beaten by a Star Yamaha. To me, it makes sense to go on a proven bike.

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js451 js451
10/15/2020 5:12 PM
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