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buzz06 8/8/2019 5:26pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Was responding to the post about 1994
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Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's...
Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's son, ended up winning.

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This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike...
This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike then show up to lorettas and have your bike furnished. Impound them after each moto and that Would end the cheating and a few 4-6 year old wouldn't be heartbroken because their dad is a snake
I was going to suggest this earlier but got busy at work. There was a road race series like this years ago in the UK with R6’s. Some pretty big names were in that series and Friday or Saturday morning you would pull a key from a hat and that was your bike for the weekend. The fast guys always found their way to the front.

If something similar could happen with LL each bike is numbered and your gate pick = your bike. Would definitely put an end to any cheating.
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NITRODOG 8/8/2019 5:31pm
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That's not a terrible idea. Kawasaki used to do something similar at the World Mini, wherein they had a stable of KX80s for the various stock/mod...
That's not a terrible idea. Kawasaki used to do something similar at the World Mini, wherein they had a stable of KX80s for the various stock/mod champions to race in an "ultimate" stock-class race. (The KROC - Kawasaki Race Of Champions.) It lost favor since the other factories didn't like their guys riding green bikes, but since nobody else makes a shaft-drive peewee, that issue wouldn't be a problem.
As I recall...and it was a long time ago...the nail in the coffin on this program occurred one year........the race was at the track out by Hoover Dam........ after the leader, who was a suzuki rider took the checkered flag in the second moto giving him what should have been the overall...the team green folk decided it would be a good idea to pull a "let Broc bye" move and had the rider in second, pull up giving up the spot to the rider in third, thereby giving that rider the overall...both of whom of course were team green kids

it was pretty ugly, and I'm pretty sure the end of the Kawasaki Race of Champions
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shortcourse 8/8/2019 7:45pm
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mxbum wrote:
And that is the purpose of the protested PW holding cell that DC posted. Unless things have changed since Kyle McKenzie podiumed in 1994 on a...
And that is the purpose of the protested PW holding cell that DC posted. Unless things have changed since Kyle McKenzie podiumed in 1994 on a PW in a field of LEM's and Cobra's. The referee asked Kyle's grandfather what he was going to do between moto2 and 3 to the bike. He replied nothing and it was agreed that mxsports would impound the bike until the third moto, kyle would race the 3rd moto under protest and the tear down would be after the 3rd moto. By the way, Kyle was legal and his family left the ranch with close to $500 (in 1994 protest fee $).
Dirty Points wrote:
If I am racing a Cobra, I can't think of a single thing that could be done to a PW that would make it worth protesting
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In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed...
In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed to be stock. Turns out three were not!

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DC. Next year get Yamaha to support the class and bring bikes for the class and each day have riders draw for a bike to race. That way the playing field will be equal for all and when the racing is over they could sell the bikes or give them away. Just a thought.
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zehn 8/8/2019 8:00pm
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Yeah but what happens when Little Johnny’s Yamaha-supplied PW50 blows up while he’s leading his moto? Imagine the absolute shitstorm the mini dads would create
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Jack_Wagon 8/8/2019 8:20pm
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There's cheating of some sort in every "limited" class at Loretta Lynn's. Just leave it like it is and let them police themselves. It's good experience for them. They're going to be dealing with the same shit show in 50 4-6, 50 7-8, 65 7-9 limited, and so on.
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For what it is worth, the dealer that supports us at Loretta's every year had his kid racing in the class this year; so I went to the industry tower in the infield to watch him each moto. I was the only one there. While the parents may think this is the ticket to a factory ride, it doesn't quite start there. Yamaha is by the podium to congratulate ALL the racers from what I've seen as they come off the track, but other than that, it isn't something that is getting them hounded by scouts. Yamaha also treats these kids like their own for the week and I watched it first hand mean a lot to a little kid. Much like KTM with the JR SX challenge. If it keeps kids on bikes and introduces them to racing and goals to reach a high level, I support it.

Congrats to the kids who made it and I feel terrible for the ones whose parents chose to strip their accomplishments away.
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Underground 8/8/2019 11:10pm
8/8/2019 11:10pm
DC wrote:
Maintenance on 42 of them.

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Red Crawford wrote:
Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea...
Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea (like the old Yamaha ROC dealio), but betting Yamaha legal dept. would howl with objections.

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84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done...
84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done. Utilize various other companies to help with costs/advertise ( Dunlop with tires/tubes, Maxima for lubes, etc... ). Everyone contributes to justify costs, plus they all get to write off expenses in various forms........ this shit could be pulled off. It's legal, it's honest, and the playing field is level. Win win for all involved. Winner gets the bike, all others can purchase said bike at a DEEP discount. What parent wouldn't want their kids racebike to keep from their first trip to Lorettas, especially if it's a "factory" bike???? This could seriously work......
Race qualifiers and LL heats on your own bike bike then Yamaha supplies the finals bikes.
Adding to the cost for Yamaha I know would be if Yamaha went through the finals bikes, blueprinted them and made sure they all go as good as a stock PW can. The bikes are all tested and dyno'd to ensure the same output and speed and then given a number like the KTM challenge. The kids that make the final draw from a hat what bike they get, they can then fit their own rear guard/side plate and seat combo piece and front plate with their own numbers, and then go racing in the finals. The same fleet is used for each age group starting with youngest.
The bikes are raffled off at the end and all is fair.

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AK74 8/8/2019 11:57pm
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buzz06 wrote:
I was going to suggest this earlier but got busy at work. There was a road race series like this years ago in the UK with...
I was going to suggest this earlier but got busy at work. There was a road race series like this years ago in the UK with R6’s. Some pretty big names were in that series and Friday or Saturday morning you would pull a key from a hat and that was your bike for the weekend. The fast guys always found their way to the front.

If something similar could happen with LL each bike is numbered and your gate pick = your bike. Would definitely put an end to any cheating.
The UK series was the Virgin Mobile Yamaha R6 Cup and produced excellent racing. Cal Crutchlow is probably the most famous past graduate, although he finished runner-up to Tommy Hill (who himself went on to become British Superbike champion a few years later).

We've now got the British Talent Cup for circuit racing. All riders compete on equal machinery, and it's the brainchild of Dorna as part of their Road to MotoGP program. Nice to see the promoter taking a proactive approach.
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fullysicmate 8/9/2019 3:19am
8/9/2019 3:19am
Yeah I have seen this in the pw50 class since the mid 90’s. But try and suggest pros are willing to gain an unfair advantage by taking PEDS and your crazy...Only dads of 6yos world do that 😂
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MX114 8/9/2019 3:48am
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DC wrote:
In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed...
In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed to be stock. Turns out three were not!

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Dirty Points wrote:
Was responding to the post about 1994
DC wrote:
Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's...
Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's son, ended up winning.

DC
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The next year 95 one of our locals Mitch Dougherty from district 3 in Central New York won the 50 class in a shortened format cause of the storms that week, was only two motos instead of three. He got on that cobra and it was a game changer and seemed the only bike that could win by then
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crowe176 8/9/2019 4:39am
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I can’t imagine a Yamaha supported PW50 race would upset other factories. No clue, but are there riders that are pw50 young that have contracts with other factories??
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Mx391 8/9/2019 4:47am
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Anyone know which company did the illegal mods the dad didn't know about?
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crowe176 wrote:
I can’t imagine a Yamaha supported PW50 race would upset other factories. No clue, but are there riders that are pw50 young that have contracts with...
I can’t imagine a Yamaha supported PW50 race would upset other factories. No clue, but are there riders that are pw50 young that have contracts with other factories??
You can only race one 50 class at LL. So if a Cobra Elite or KTM OB kid is on a Yamaha in the PW class it is because they didn't make the show on their Limited or Special Limited bike... which would probably be more upsetting to the factory...

I don't know of any KTM OB kids in the Limited or Special limited. I think this is the first year I have seen a Cobra Elite rider in the Limited or Special Limited. They used to only do it for the SR class.
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Dougy1 8/9/2019 5:04am
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Richard Tease II wrote:
I heard from a mate that the guy who protested that was running the illegal bike was dumfounded and totally caught by suprise. Apparently not happy...
I heard from a mate that the guy who protested that was running the illegal bike was dumfounded and totally caught by suprise. Apparently not happy with his engine builder.
Like my mate said who uses an engine builder in a stock class
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I talked to someone who saw this happen first hand, he came flying back to the pits telling us about the mess. I didn't realize that...
I talked to someone who saw this happen first hand, he came flying back to the pits telling us about the mess.
I didn't realize that this guy was also the same person who started the protest mess.
The guy was livid from what we were told. They tore his bike down and found the carb had some mods done to it, not sure what. He had no idea the carb was modded and was calling the engine builder and leaving him death threats.
That Pdub life is serious.
Hey dude can u make my kids bike faster ..
Nek minute.....” I kill u “ you made my kids bike faster ???
What a moron... 5 min before he actually protested did he even take a breathe and think hang on I took my sons bike to get blue printed .. is there a chance.. ???
crackalack 8/9/2019 5:22am
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i feel I read the story here a few years ago about a father blanket protesting the top 3 before the moto even started and it ending up DQ'ing his own kid who podiumed... laughable
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mxbum 8/9/2019 6:47am
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crackalack wrote:
i feel I read the story here a few years ago about a father blanket protesting the top 3 before the moto even started and it...
i feel I read the story here a few years ago about a father blanket protesting the top 3 before the moto even started and it ending up DQ'ing his own kid who podiumed... laughable
I believe it was actually the top 10. And yes, his son was the only one illegal.
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peltier626 8/9/2019 8:53am
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dadofagun wrote:
84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done...
84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done. Utilize various other companies to help with costs/advertise ( Dunlop with tires/tubes, Maxima for lubes, etc... ). Everyone contributes to justify costs, plus they all get to write off expenses in various forms........ this shit could be pulled off. It's legal, it's honest, and the playing field is level. Win win for all involved. Winner gets the bike, all others can purchase said bike at a DEEP discount. What parent wouldn't want their kids racebike to keep from their first trip to Lorettas, especially if it's a "factory" bike???? This could seriously work......
Excellent Idea!
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Rupert X 8/9/2019 9:27am
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MX114 wrote:
Cheating in the pee wee class is nothing new. JS7 himself was a DQ first moto 1994 for something found to be illegally done to his...
Cheating in the pee wee class is nothing new. JS7 himself was a DQ first moto 1994 for something found to be illegally done to his PW. He went on too win the other two motos after being protested.
Hey brother, can you get the Top ten in there, too ? Think my son Joey up there ? Thx
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slipdog 8/9/2019 11:28am
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I was just thinking how epic this thread could be if someone photochopped Mike Brown on a PW50!

Anyone... Bueller...
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F.B 8/9/2019 11:40am
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Rupert X wrote:
Hey brother, can you get the Top ten in there, too ? Think my son Joey up there ? Thx

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brycepdh 8/9/2019 12:02pm
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aaryn #234 wrote:
We only have one "Full Stock class" here in Aus for our Junior National Championship which is the 50 class. Had my first year with my...
We only have one "Full Stock class" here in Aus for our Junior National Championship which is the 50 class.

Had my first year with my son in the class last year, approaching year two in a couple of months.

At least they are allowing us to run after market radiators on the KTM 50s this year.

But pretty much everything else has to be genuine stock parts, including clutches.

Can run different tyres, gearing, handle bars (not bar rises though!) and grips and change plastic color, that is about it.

Have to be stock foot pegs, no aftermarket bling.

Full of first year mini dad racers, there is a lot to learn in year one haha.
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It wasn’t a pretty week at the aussies in Penguin, see that bike from Thailand had electric start on his 50? I wouldn’t like to go...
It wasn’t a pretty week at the aussies in Penguin, see that bike from Thailand had electric start on his 50?

I wouldn’t like to go through all that with the 50s again in scrutineering area. All I had to do was escort the top 3 bikes to the pull down area and make sure nothing was changed with the bikes. Had some 50 parent in my face complaining oh did someone protest us? Did someone think my bike is illegal? Who protested us etc...

I’m like dude your bike is in the top 3 and we require to pull down every top 3 finisher, I know nothing and all my job is to escort your bike from Parc ferme to the pull down area. Does this have to be so hard?
aaryn #234 wrote:
Haha yeah the 50 class was full on, real eye opener for myself. Our bike was dead stock apart from the radiators, I had the stock...
Haha yeah the 50 class was full on, real eye opener for myself.

Our bike was dead stock apart from the radiators, I had the stock ones there but there had split, another guy from SA had two sets of stock ones which he had patched up and was running aftermarket,

I think on the Wednesday the top ten from the race that day got pulled up, the rest of us had to report in the following morning,

There were kids crying in the holding pen, it was just crazy.

We both bolted on the patched up stock radiators that night!

At least we know what to expect this year, buying on up stock parts at the moment lol.
Yeah there was actually a disqualification and they protested that and got his position back. It was when the scrutineer asked cobra was the port layout for each year and the one that was supplied to that bike was from a different year but it wasn’t the oem port layout for that year so it was disqualified.

So that parent had the cobra rep talking to the relevant officials saying this is how I got the bike from the factory etc. bit of a shit show because the factory decided to ship that bike with a different cylinder to the year model they said they would put it on. Imagine the kid too...

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