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MVmoto MVmoto
2/28/2020 7:32 AM

I just got an email from Mission Motorsports in Irvine, Ca. It says the store is closing March 14, 2020, after 37 years of loyalty. Anybody know why? I used to work there, it was a great shop to work at.

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Csb146 Csb146
2/28/2020 7:40 AM

if i had to take a shot in the dark it would be because CA is a terrible place to try and own/run a business....

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MOTO1313 MOTO1313
2/28/2020 7:49 AM

Maybe the 2 stroke ban and the fact that they are a Yamaha dealer??? I could see KTM dealers bailing on the crap hole known as Cali too.

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JustMX JustMX
2/28/2020 8:01 AM

Probably a combination of things.

They didn't have a blue aftermarket clutch cable in stock for a 2011 yz450 and won't beat online prices.

Seriously though.

Oems aren't making it easy for dealers with minimum unit orders and making unreasonable demands if a dealer looks to sell their business.

I know a lot of dealers that have just closed up because of stuff like that.

AL lane near Charlotte let most of his motorcycle business go because the majority of his business is Kubota tractors and other lawn care lines.

Neeley racing in spartanburg, SC couldn't sell his KTM dealership so he closed it.

Same deal with atlas cycles, a full line dealership in Bristol, virginia. For sale for several years, no buyers, so shut down.

Between cycle gear and online competition there isn't money in bikes and parts. Service carries most of them.

The disappearance of enthusiast mom and pop dealers is a true loss.

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Sparkey Sparkey
2/28/2020 8:05 AM

Great shop when it was down by Crown Valley and had a ma & pa feel to it. When they transitioned to Irvine, I had a few bad experiences in there and swore to never set foot in there again. Sad to see it go but there are other dealers in the area. Just need to go the extra 20 miles.

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langhammx langhammx
2/28/2020 8:07 AM

Here come the California shit talkers ! Lol

If you’ve been to Mission Motorsports or just take a look at the pic posted, you can imagine the overhead there... 2-strokes have nothing to do with this shop closing its doors. It’s more about the small profit of selling bikes / toys and the fact that most people ((including myself), that buy Parts online to get a deal.

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chuckie108 chuckie108
2/28/2020 8:50 AM

If the new prop 13 passes, you ain't seen nothing yet.

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sumdood sumdood
2/28/2020 9:28 AM
Sparkey wrote:

Great shop when it was ...more

Yep Casey and John Matherson (rip) were great to work with, I bought 3 bikes from them when they were of CV parkway. Since they moved and got huge, I had 2 friends go to work there selling bikes, both got pissed and quit after they said what they were told they would get for commission, and what they actually got for commission were pretty far apart. When I wanted a dual sport last year (KTM500exc) I started there first. Wound up driving an hour an 15 minutes further away (south) and saved over a grand. blink I like to support local shops but I'd have driven a day each way to save a grand.... The overhead has to be huge there, wonder what Chapparel pays for their building in Riverside county (or is it San Bernadino ?) versus what they pay in Orange County ? A for effort sad

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Stuntman949 Stuntman949
2/28/2020 9:29 AM

The building was so expensive that they've basically been making enough to keep the lights on. All good things must come to an end.

Also, there were rumors of 3 Brothers moving down that way and picking up the Yamaha rights but apparently that fell through

"A link is only as long as your longest strong chain"

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sumdood sumdood
2/28/2020 9:40 AM

Too bad San Clemente won't give San Clemente Motorcycle Co. (formerly SCRS) a dealer license to sell bikes. They sell used cars across the street, but that side is zoned different if that makes any sense.

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zippytech zippytech
2/28/2020 9:54 AM

I almost every time I go in a dealer or even a mall store that sells anything. If you ask for something they don't have they say. Did you check online? It be 2 weeks or so before we can get it.

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Luke_Richards Luke_Richards
2/28/2020 10:41 AM
zippytech wrote:

I almost every time I go ...more

My dealer can have what I want next day if they don’t have it

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dean122 dean122
2/28/2020 11:15 AM

Of all the shops I've been to in the Southern Ca area, Burts Mega Mall has by far the most overhead I've ever seen. You'd think you're walking into the Polaris and Can-Am factory wrapped up in one. Hopefully they weather the shit show we're dealing with in California and continue to stay open. Same with Chap.

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zippytech zippytech
2/28/2020 11:19 AM
zippytech wrote:

I almost every time I go ...more

Luke_Richards wrote:

My dealer can have what I ...more

I correct myself the 2 to 2 weeks. Was just told this the other day.

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RichieW13 RichieW13
2/28/2020 11:48 AM
Csb146 wrote:

if i had to take a shot in ...more

In what ways?

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MMCDan MMCDan
2/28/2020 12:47 PM
RichieW13 wrote:

In what ways?

Some of the highest taxes (e.g., business, individual, sales & use, etc.) in the country. High cost of living with a tight labor market. Tough, uncertain regulatory environment with lots of rules that favor the employee (e.g., family leave, overtime pay, etc.).

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RichieW13 RichieW13
2/28/2020 12:57 PM
Csb146 wrote:

if i had to take a shot in ...more

RichieW13 wrote:

In what ways?

MMCDan wrote:

Some of the highest taxes ...more

But doesn't all of their competition have the same issues?

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MMCDan MMCDan
2/28/2020 1:13 PM
RichieW13 wrote:

But doesn't all of their ...more

Yes and all of those costs are passed through to us (the consumer). If your sales cover the higher costs no problem.
If not, you close and/or move to another state.

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RichieW13 RichieW13
2/28/2020 1:16 PM
MMCDan wrote:

Some of the highest taxes ...more

RichieW13 wrote:

But doesn't all of their ...more

MMCDan wrote:

Yes and all of those costs ...more

Yeah, so if Mission Motorsports is closing, it doesn't have much to do with California being a "terrible place to run a business", because a motorcycle dealership is a local business, and competitors are remaining open.

I'm sure the much bigger problem is the competition from online retailers.

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philG philG
2/28/2020 1:17 PM

Looking at that picture. Overheads.. there isnt a motorcycle dealer in the whole of Europe with that much dead space.

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RichieW13 RichieW13
2/28/2020 1:23 PM
philG wrote:

Looking at that picture. ...more

Apparently it isn't even in a retail location. It is in a business park. So they aren't going to get much foot/drive-by customers.

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bvm111 bvm111
2/28/2020 2:04 PM

Wonder if they will be doing a going out of business sale... everything must go type of thing, I’ll come on down and grab a KX450 this weekend!

Don’t piss off the old people - the older they get the less “life in prison” is a deterrent for them!

2020.5 KTM 450 SXF FE
2006 KX250

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Dtat720 Dtat720
2/28/2020 2:15 PM
philG wrote:

Looking at that picture. ...more

RichieW13 wrote:

Apparently it isn't even ...more

Part of the reason.. business park property taxes are much lower than retail zoning. The overhead that place carries increases every year with new regulations, tax adjustments, etc.
The comment was made that other dealers have the same expenses, yes and no. Zoning can be a burden or a crushing burden for taxes. City taxes on top of county taxes on top of state taxes on top of environmental taxes, all depending on where your store is. Paid for building? Renting? Mortgaged? I can easily see them shutting the doors as a result of the cost of doing business in CA. I dont ship parts to California from my machine shop. They expect me to pay a tax for producing out of state. It is ridiculous. Cost of running a business is the number one reason given by companies leaving CA. It isnt hard to figure out why

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CG118 CG118
2/28/2020 2:27 PM
philG wrote:

Looking at that picture. ...more

RichieW13 wrote:

Apparently it isn't even ...more

Dtat720 wrote:

Part of the reason.. ...more

What kind of products do you guys machine/produce?

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Falcon Falcon
2/28/2020 2:34 PM
bvm111 wrote:

Wonder if they will be ...more

That is not a bad idea, to be honest. Make an offer and see what they say.

Braaapin' aint easy.

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Xeno Xeno
2/28/2020 3:10 PM

It's sad to see this. As a kid, I loved going to their original shop on Avery Parkway next to Saddleback College.
The founder, John Matherson, was a real good dude.

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crf250pilot crf250pilot
2/28/2020 3:22 PM
MVmoto wrote:

I just got an email from ...more

I don’t see any UTVs in that pic. Side by sides are carrying dealerships now.

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quadzrulebro quadzrulebro
2/28/2020 3:29 PM

Their biggest problem was moving into a Taj Mahal just before the economy took a dump. Pre 2008, the motorcycle business in SoCal could have supported places like that.

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early early
2/28/2020 3:45 PM
quadzrulebro wrote:

Their biggest problem was ...more

Somebody told me a couple days ago this is the greatest economy ever...

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RichieW13 RichieW13
2/28/2020 3:50 PM
philG wrote:

Looking at that picture. ...more

RichieW13 wrote:

Apparently it isn't even ...more

Dtat720 wrote:

Part of the reason.. ...more

I'm questioning the assumption that Mission Motorsports is closing because of California. Those things you mention are city/county issues. Except the sales tax portion, which all of their competition has to deal with as well.

(Of course, the Honda dealership that used to be in my town solved that problem by just not sending their payroll taxes to the state. But I don't think that went well for the owner in the long run. smile )

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