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Edit: After following the thread provided by CSlacker (not sure he read his links?) it turns out Kali is producing a helmet, and has been, that appears to be the revolution I started this thread about. They fly under the radar to me, apparently they are big in bicycles but the technology is WORLD CLASS!
The lightest DOT approved full face helmet, smaller due to no air gap, with multi directional torsion technolgy that is self healing (If I'm reading it correctly).
Forget the thread and check out this helmet lineup!
https://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Full-Face-Helmets,52/Kali-Protec…
Even the best 6D requires refurbishing after an impact. With football helmets able to take multiple impacts this is just not acceptable anymore. Not only are we being ripped off but the risk of further injury using a compromised helmet put hundreds of thousands at greater risk unknowingly.
Let's hope Vicis is working on a solution for our industry like what they have developed for the NFL. It took the 6D model and made it much better. There is a safety revolution taking place and the motorcycle industry is far behind. The time for Motorcycle helmet standards worldwide to advance to a much higher level is now and revolutionize head injury protection in MX/SX.
"The idea of replacing styrofoam layers with a multitude of elastic columns that deform and absorb the force of the impact is not new, We featured the 6D ATR-1 helmet almost four years ago, and the Vicis design clearly built on it.
However, the Zero1 lid takes things to the next level, introducing a much larger number of "support columns" in the design, also providing omnidirectional impact absorption.
This means that both linear and rotational impacts are dealt with, and the Zero1 helmet offers the same level of protection for shocks occurring in any part of the shell and regardless of the direction of the initial force vector."
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/vicis-zero1-american-football-helmet…
The lightest DOT approved full face helmet, smaller due to no air gap, with multi directional torsion technolgy that is self healing (If I'm reading it correctly).
Forget the thread and check out this helmet lineup!
https://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Full-Face-Helmets,52/Kali-Protec…
Even the best 6D requires refurbishing after an impact. With football helmets able to take multiple impacts this is just not acceptable anymore. Not only are we being ripped off but the risk of further injury using a compromised helmet put hundreds of thousands at greater risk unknowingly.
Let's hope Vicis is working on a solution for our industry like what they have developed for the NFL. It took the 6D model and made it much better. There is a safety revolution taking place and the motorcycle industry is far behind. The time for Motorcycle helmet standards worldwide to advance to a much higher level is now and revolutionize head injury protection in MX/SX.
"The idea of replacing styrofoam layers with a multitude of elastic columns that deform and absorb the force of the impact is not new, We featured the 6D ATR-1 helmet almost four years ago, and the Vicis design clearly built on it.
However, the Zero1 lid takes things to the next level, introducing a much larger number of "support columns" in the design, also providing omnidirectional impact absorption.
This means that both linear and rotational impacts are dealt with, and the Zero1 helmet offers the same level of protection for shocks occurring in any part of the shell and regardless of the direction of the initial force vector."
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/vicis-zero1-american-football-helmet…
You can use motorcycle helmets multiple times so long as the EPS isnt compressed and the helmet is still structurally sound - meaning the EPS and outer shell arent separated and the outer shell isnt cracked. In other words, if its not damaged then its still ok.
Difference is motorcycle accidents happen at 20mph+ and that usually damages helmets. Football isnt like that.
But really when will we realize that repeatedly slamming yourself into other people is bad for you? Football is barbaric and we are just now seeing it. Less and less kids are allowed to play it in school because of it.
The Shop
But a helmet to helmet impact is also not the same as helmet to pavement or helmet to tree or rock in terms of the hardness of the object being struck or pressure of impact on the shell. Not to mention that it shouldnt be a anticipated that you will be sustaining high impact head injuries on a routine basis while riding a motorcycle.
https://youtu.be/-W937NM11o8
As they say, t's not the fall that will kill you, it's the sudden stop. Deceleration is the killer.
No helmet will ever prevent your brain from smashing into your skull during a sudden impact. That is simply impossible. All a helmet does is protect your skull from splitting open like a pumpkin.
Don't get me wrong, I know they take some huge hits
Let a 250lb fullback run head on into a 175lb cornerback and see what happens, it won't be a neutral event. But this is not about slide rules and engineers. This is about protecting your nugget. JS7 probably got a new Red Bull helmet every time he tipped over, but most of us will have multiple crashes in a season and use the same helmet for years.
Even todays obsolete technology could be improved with resilient liners rather than 1 and done. The type of memory styrofoam used to keep your jack from rattling in the trunk would be better than the stuff they use for helmets and styrofoam coolers.
Pit Row
Don’t ride if you don’t want to buy a helmet after a crash. I just graduated college and couldn’t afford a quality helmet until now. I crashed and landed directly on my head In my SE4 and busted the Mips. I’m thankful nothing came of it. I didn’t ride for 8 months because I had bills to pay.
Are you really comparing us to the NFL? Probably the biggest sport in America... that’s laughable. I bet if someone came up to the teams and said hey you’ll reduce head injuries by 50% if you change your helmet every time a head on head hit takes place they would eat it up. Stop trying to put a choke hold on these companies. If everyone was like you we wouldn’t even have competing companies.
Much of the technology being used today by the NFL has been taken from the moto/MTB industry. Kali's Composite Fusion Plus was the first real advancement that I am aware of back in 2007... https://kaliprotectives.com/technology
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/rotational-concussions-and-ldl-real-world…
Finally your point in general for this thread is flawed, crumple zones as you put it, are not designed for repetitive use. The amount of energy dispersed through heat is increasing with these new technologies however it is still not able to handle multiple heavy impacts.
Don't get me wrong, I love the new technology, but helmets will need to be replaced after a heavy impact for a long time to come...
The Vicis technology IS a crumple zone that is designed for repetitive use. Yes with a larger shell the rotational forces would increase. I think most would rather have a re-usable helmet that was say 5-10% larger externally but was much safer for concussion protection.
That would mean the impact for the fullback would be the equal of a 20.4 mph impact and the impact for the cornerback would be the equal of a 29.4 mph impact against a solid immovable object. Not even close to your 56 mph reference. I'll give you a tip... Slide rules and engineers are the ones coming up with these new ideas in protection so you shouldn't knock the science...
Multilayering is definitely the future and is being used. Parts that will deform elastically to retain their shape for smaller impacts, combined with the rotational movement inside helmets and the types of foam and liners for the big impacts. The issue then arises on knowing when any part has been compromised.
We see companies investing for our safety, that is pretty cool !
And I can't wait to see further improvements in other areas (chest protector/neck/back/collarbone for instance, that would make the dam thing mandatory!)
Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
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