Latest Rumor/Fact: No Suzuki Factory Team in MXGP and MX2 for 2018

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Steve125 9/22/2017 8:26am
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mx_563 wrote:
What a shit show over there at Suzuki. But it's been that way pretty much since the 80s. The full-floater system is their only major contribution...
What a shit show over there at Suzuki. But it's been that way pretty much since the 80s. The full-floater system is their only major contribution to bike development is it not? Other than that, they've always been behind in development and rider support. Last to the removable subframe lowboy pipe party, leopard graphics in the early 90s (seriously WTF?), copied Yamaha's 2-stroke engine in the early 2000s, the Kawazuki 250F, not able to keep DeCoster, No 450F development for like 8 years or whatever, RCH folding, now this.

It can't be a money issue because little itty-bitty TM fields an MXGP team. Boutique brands Beta, Sherco and GasGas field WEC teams and have developed their own unique bikes. It's not 2008 anymore. We might not be in the heyday of bike sales but the market isn't in the gutter anymore is it?

I'm really curious how this JGR alliance is going to work out. Based on Suzuki's record, it does not seem wise to do business with them.

How do they plan on promoting the "new" (revised) 450F in Europe without a team in MXGP?

...and they stole the Full Floater design.. They had to pay up big time for doing so.
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RG1 9/22/2017 8:27am
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Why develop a brand new motorcycle and then pull out of the sport completely not even a year later? Makes no sense whatsoever
Germinator 9/22/2017 8:42am
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SmokinJoe439 wrote:
So all of this on one article on one website this news would be all over if true. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/09/22/216135/s1200_images_17.jpg[/img]
So all of this on one article on one website this news would be all over if true.



You are right.
Its nothing official but the website normally doesn't post bullshit like mxlarge or else.
It state's in the article that the whole crew of the 2 teams apllied for a job in other teams.

I could ask Jeremy Seewer but I doubt I'll get an answer. He is riding the adac mx masters in Holzgerlingen this weekend and I'll be there.

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Flip109 9/22/2017 8:44am
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KTM to come out with a new Suzuki mx bike in 2025LaughingLaughing
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endurox 9/22/2017 9:02am
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AMA and MXGP seriously need to consider a real production class as in 125cc. The 250 class could be the new elite level. These classes are open to e bike, 2 stroke or 4 stroke. 99.99% of people who buy a 450 would do faster lap times on a 250 for 30 minute motos.
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steed 2.0 9/22/2017 9:04am
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RG1 wrote:
Why develop a brand new motorcycle and then pull out of the sport completely not even a year later? Makes no sense whatsoever
You mean a facelift that came 5 years too late? ... better bring RM 250/300 back into production with some headlights (where the money is right now, midelage guys who hit the midlifecrisis) but again, they have an
image problem, these type of costumers go most likely for the big three...
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NorCal 50+ 9/22/2017 9:05am
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This would be an ideal time for Suzuki to bring back a low-cost two-stroke line and get some market share back.
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Johnny Depp 9/22/2017 9:08am
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NorCal 50+ wrote:
This would be an ideal time for Suzuki to bring back a low-cost two-stroke line and get some market share back.
Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner.
2WheelsForTheMasses 9/22/2017 9:21am
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mx_563 wrote:
What a shit show over there at Suzuki. But it's been that way pretty much since the 80s. The full-floater system is their only major contribution...
What a shit show over there at Suzuki. But it's been that way pretty much since the 80s. The full-floater system is their only major contribution to bike development is it not? Other than that, they've always been behind in development and rider support. Last to the removable subframe lowboy pipe party, leopard graphics in the early 90s (seriously WTF?), copied Yamaha's 2-stroke engine in the early 2000s, the Kawazuki 250F, not able to keep DeCoster, No 450F development for like 8 years or whatever, RCH folding, now this.

It can't be a money issue because little itty-bitty TM fields an MXGP team. Boutique brands Beta, Sherco and GasGas field WEC teams and have developed their own unique bikes. It's not 2008 anymore. We might not be in the heyday of bike sales but the market isn't in the gutter anymore is it?

I'm really curious how this JGR alliance is going to work out. Based on Suzuki's record, it does not seem wise to do business with them.

How do they plan on promoting the "new" (revised) 450F in Europe without a team in MXGP?

Get your head examined!!!!
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swtwtwtw 9/22/2017 9:21am
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RG1 wrote:
Why develop a brand new motorcycle and then pull out of the sport completely not even a year later? Makes no sense whatsoever
Yup, as stated above. Nothing all new. Basically an ergo/susp change with readily available products. Too bad, not what I was hoping for.
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line-up 9/22/2017 9:31am
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I remember when, at the end of 1983, they quit factory support to all motorsports they were involved in and at that time motocross and motogp were just super popular and bike sales were stellar.
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Jaze 9/22/2017 9:33am
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Yeah they need release two-stroke class really fast or allow electric bikes to race.
Costs have to cut in motox and fast or this sport is fading down. 4-strokes are not the answer.
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HenryA 9/22/2017 9:35am
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So does this mean that Stefan Everts needs to find a new job?
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BobPA 9/22/2017 9:36am
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Jaze wrote:
Yeah they need release two-stroke class really fast or allow electric bikes to race. Costs have to cut in motox and fast or this sport is...
Yeah they need release two-stroke class really fast or allow electric bikes to race.
Costs have to cut in motox and fast or this sport is fading down. 4-strokes are not the answer.
And a $15k e-bike is the answer?
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FreshTopEnd 9/22/2017 9:38am
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Steve125 wrote:
...and they stole the Full Floater design.. They had to pay up big time for doing so.
^^^
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loftyair 9/22/2017 9:41am
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A 5k 200# electric is the answer. Oh, 50hp.
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Jaze 9/22/2017 9:50am
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Jaze wrote:
Yeah they need release two-stroke class really fast or allow electric bikes to race. Costs have to cut in motox and fast or this sport is...
Yeah they need release two-stroke class really fast or allow electric bikes to race.
Costs have to cut in motox and fast or this sport is fading down. 4-strokes are not the answer.
BobPA wrote:
And a $15k e-bike is the answer?
Yes! Prices are going down when there is competition in market and they are lot cheaper to race.
Almost no maintainence, just cleaning and programming.

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ML512 9/22/2017 9:51am
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Just got another confirmation from a somewhat involved source of that team, Suzuki World MXGP and MX2 is done...no off-road support for Europe/World MXGP.
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With the exception of a few different years their bikes were in the back of the pack from mid-80's to '01. We didn't have information at our fingertips back then and had to rely on accurate feedback via magazines, most of whom didn't rank the RMs highly in the shootouts. They lost out on an entire generation of riders who could have gone on to bring their kids up on the brand and keep brand loyalty alive. All they can do at this point is either hit the reset and build a bike that blows everything away, find a niche spot in the sport that pull market share from the Euro competition or slowly fade away until it's no longer worth the cost of production to keep the MX line alive.
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Motofinne 9/22/2017 9:57am
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ML512 wrote:
Just got another confirmation from a somewhat involved source of that team, Suzuki World MXGP and MX2 is done...no off-road support for Europe/World MXGP.
This is pathetic.

F*ck Suzuki. Jasikonis and Seewer are screwed! How the hell are they going to get rides this late in the season?
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Motofinne 9/22/2017 10:02am
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The funny thing is that they wouldn't have a team in US either but the deal with JGR saves them.

How long is the contract between JGR and Suzuki?
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RG1 9/22/2017 10:13am
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You have to wonder if this has been in the world for a long time and Geboers saw it coming and got out. Or things have not gone well with Everts in charge and Suzuki have decided he's not worth the effort.

With a new(ish) bike coming out and signing several young riders at the start of the season, I find it very hard to believe that this has been in the works. All seems very sudden to me
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kzizok 9/22/2017 10:14am
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Sucks. Don't forget that Suzuki has had their bankruptcy issues and all that goes with it. I have a feeling this may be the beginning of some other retraction's that we dont want to see.

For some time, I have been more than concerned about the real possibility of MX/SX fading away.
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tek14 9/22/2017 10:25am
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So Suzuki pulled out their money from Everts team but offered Bikes and Parts.
HSF Logistics could have been one to save but they went to Honda..
So Everts "Team" have Seewer and AJ signed.. can they get another Factory support in 5 months?
brightlights 9/22/2017 10:29am
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Not good news. Hope they get rides.
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-MAVERICK- 9/22/2017 10:30am
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Didn't Suzuki just bring back the Amateur support program last year in the hopes to develop riders?

What's happening with that? Wasn't Larry Brooks taking care of that program?
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PRM31 9/22/2017 10:30am
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Is JGR looking to expand in Europe?? Ha ha

Disappointing to read. Rode Suzukis from '78-'82 and my favorite bike of all time is the '81 RM125. Recent years they seem to be suffering as a company. Lacking a direction and leadership.

This could also be a reflection of the MXGP business model more than a reflection on Suzuki. Time will tell.

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Construction 9/22/2017 10:34am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
There are no more Suzuki auto dealers in the U.S. and I'm sure that took a huge economic toll on the company that they have never...
There are no more Suzuki auto dealers in the U.S. and I'm sure that took a huge economic toll on the company that they have never really fully recovered from.

If nobody wants the (rebadged) widget that you are selling...

http://blog.caranddriver.com/suzuki-ends-u-s-car-sales-why-it-had-to-do…

It's funny when people claim Suzuki doesn't have or make money. Only honda makes more and zuki Net profit is more than Yamaha Ktm and kawie heavy industries combined. Also the day it was announced they would stop selling cars in the us their stock went up

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