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"ML512 mentioned briefly that the Honda shock rides low in the frame. I suspect this is the reason that a KYB that has a great history has had a sudden failure point exposed."
"Could the bottom shock mount being in a different enough location to cause the failure in the mud on the Honda of KYB equipment that has never had this failure in other applications? Twice. Likely mud packing forcing the retaining ring open."
Michael, I think the bottom point is more than 2-3 mms from the above photos of the different years. That is not the point, whether it is 3 or 300, nor is the FACT that the KYB broke (the caps are for Underground ) The point is mentioned very nicely in Pit Bits by yourself, the shock mounting location.
"the fact that the retaining system KYB uses is common on their shocks and was present on a slew of machines and different brands that didn't experience these problems. In the end, it was a combination of the retaining system and Honda shock layout that made for the perfect storm in these muddy conditions to fail both motos."
So I think we agree. If you consider this an isolated incident that is now solved, then case closed. Honda would certainly like it to be over. If there is a chance that the other issues previously mentioned, crashes and frame breakage may be related, I think the case is still open.
"Secondly Mr. Tin Foil hat, explain, please explain in detail how any of this has to do with Roczen or Gajser's crashes? "
I will slightly correct my opinion, in that these crashes are happening when the bike cases out and the suspension is at full extension on initial contact, not fully collapsed.
I think I gave a fairly detailed opinion, what's your's?
As for my comment in Pit Bits about shock labor, I am NOT referring to the height of the overall shock but the height of the bumper cup/retaining ring. Which is quite low due to the short clevis, not the ending point of said clevis. As mentioned by many others in here, Showa doesn't have the same problem. It's not how low the actual shock is, but the location of the retaining system and how it gather mud. The showa retaining system actually sits even lower than the KYB one but is better protected.
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