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How can the bike win everywhere else in the world?
Maybe it is just the fact that the right rider in the U.S is yet to race the YZ450? Though I think Cooper will get better and win on the bike with more time in the class.
I'm glad bdb posted that graphic with the colored lines.... I guess I hate my YZ450F now. /sarcasm
Just look at that thing not hook up.....
I'm a bigger guy. 6'1" and 200 lbs. and I ride over the front a lot. For me, I've made some chassis tweaks (102 sag, 24mm clamps, and 8mm fork height) and wouldn't trade this thing for my buddies '17 KTM.
Have you actually rode the bike you're talking about? You have some kind of credibility to speak up if your answer is yes.
Did you answer no? Well your thoughts means nothing, absolutely nothing.
As for deleting content. I think the OP has a valid point that much worse content directed at people is allowed to stand, yet comments about a bike, even if childish or not supported by experience, get censored. That's a slippery slope. I have to assume there was a comment by someone wearing blue that germinated the seed for that decision.. So, my challenge to those in blue; convince me why I should want the design of the bike to be more centralized front to rear.
Regarding the YZF - there is real science behind the centralizing of mass. Yamaha has done a spectacular job of centralizing the mass of the bike - perhaps too good of a job.
Apparently Yamaha agrees with many of you as for 2018 they have tilted the engine 6 degrees further forward and made some other changes to move some weight forward.
I'd also like to say that in that picture above of the four bikes lined up top to bottom, in my honest opinion, the Yamaha sure looks bad-ass compared to the others. The Kawasaki especially looks...dumpy? Cobbled together? KTM looks pretty good. Glad they brought back the orange frame. Don't like the Honda look - too sharp or something in the back and don't like the tank shape. New Zook looks pretty good. Anyhow, it's just looks and really means nothing - certainly won't make us any faster.
And speaking of Honda, how come you didn't include it in the line-up BDBro? Also, I would like to see you do the same thing only adding the 2017 Yamaha into the mix to see the difference between the 2018 and 2017.
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As far as anyone's analysis, it takes a few minutes to find quotes from various riders saying it's a hard bike to setup... it can be good, but isn't as flexible to setup as some others.
Which of course has no bearing on how most here would feel... Cause most here are probably too slow to be on a 450 regardless.
Besides, like I said above in my previous post, apparently Yamaha has realized it got a bit carried away with the mass centralizing. Doesn't mean the 2017 (and back) aren't competitive. They most definitely are, and I've argued before that Yamaha just needs a rider here in the states capable of regular wins and we wouldn't be having these conversations. I too have noted how many local competitors go fast and win on the big blue pig as well.
Now I suppose the only thing left to do is to wait on the reports about the 2018. Has Yamaha finally perfected the design? We shall soon find out.
BDBro, don't get discouraged. I really would like to see that line comparison you made above, but with both the new Yamaha and the 2017 Yamaha AND the Honda. It is an interesting comparison you've made. Anyone notice how both KTM and Yamaha mufflers don't go past the rear axle? Look where Kawasaki's and Suzuki's mufflers line up over the axle.
But there's a 1/1 projected success ratio that the racks of BBQ ribs I'll pull off the Green Egg this afternoon will be winners. Happy 4th, y'all.
Now, to the average joe or local pro, a setup that is only a second slower probably isn't going to hurt the results at all.
Same with his suzuki.. he comes out 4-0 and loves it. Towards the end he cant keep the bike on 2 wheels to save his life and now the suzuki is also junk.
Take the new Honda for example, there's seriously guys on here convinced there is a magic spring in the frame that's booting people over the bars. Give me a fricken break, I know we like to pretend the pros are superhuman but the bottom line is they make mistakes just like everyone else, nobody is perfect every single time.
New Suzuki is the same deal, bike isn't even here yet and half of vital is convinced it will feel heavy, be slow, but the forks will be amazing since they stuck a spring back in and increased the internal sizes. My point here is until you've ridden a bike or have the firsthand knowledge to back up your claims, you're just pissing into the wind and providing nothing of useful substance, and that goes for any subject. Ever notice how some guys are just magically an expert on everything in non-moto?
Sorry Harrybro, that went on way longer than I originally intended, not all of that is for you brother. That coat of yours is enough to throw the balance of any bike off as it flaps in the wind, so this is all invalid for you anyways!
Also the same year that Barcia and Webb rode really well at MXDN's on one and Webb rode well at the Glenn Helen GP.
Maybe the other bikes have progressed past it since then, I don't know.
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