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Excuse my ignorance
I have some idea that superminis can be modded almost without limit, even capacity is dictated by design of the doner bike before the 150? Limit is reached. (Or is 150 for 4t with a lower limit on the 2ts?)
I’d assume that in any stock class, the KTM would be the weapon of choice by a fair margin.
In the SM class in Vegas, there was a lot of green up front -because of the mods allowed, any brand can be made competitive?
I have some idea that superminis can be modded almost without limit, even capacity is dictated by design of the doner bike before the 150? Limit is reached. (Or is 150 for 4t with a lower limit on the 2ts?)
I’d assume that in any stock class, the KTM would be the weapon of choice by a fair margin.
In the SM class in Vegas, there was a lot of green up front -because of the mods allowed, any brand can be made competitive?
The Shop
24 KTM/Huskys
14 Kawis
2 yamaha
Super Mini 1 at the ranch
19 KTM/Huskys
16 Kawi
4 Yamaha
The Yamaha's are not even a factor in super minis ( 0r 85 classes as well). Perhaps it will change with LeBlanc on the Star racing team, but those things are non existent in the mini classes around Ohio. It appears from the numbers above that is the case at the national level as well.
Wish Mumford wouldn't have gotten hurt so we could've seen a fuel injected crf150 one-off works bike bump bars with those 112cc smokers.
Pit Row
The green bikes are a well sorted out package seeing as the current bike still has roots back the the OLD kx80 - the "updates" to the engine didn't really net anything other than money savings in the powervalve department. What most kids like is the handling - and the motor can be modified to make excellent power. In the 85cc class - the kawi flat out can not compete vs a ktm in power - period. No matter the mods. But in the super class a well built kx is an excellent combo.
The KTM doesn't come showroom ready as a big wheel. This is an issue for many people and leads them towards green. It costs big bucks to add wheels and a 105 kit - and ktm's 105 kit makes the same power as their 85 does on the dyno - it's a 10-12 year old cylinder and the 85 is very current (even more so this year)
The 105 is also prone to cracked heads, blown inner head orings, and cracked cylinders - all massive negatives. The new ktm which presumably will also come with a new 105 kit (desperately needed update) will likely be the bike of choice moving forwards for most.
In the 85cc class - it's all orange and white now...by a long way. If pc and kawi didn't have the team green program - you wouldn't see any out there at the nationals.
The RM can be quite good - just not popular - and the YZ needs a massive redesign. It can pump out great HP - but it's getting really long in the tooth and no powervalve really kills it for most riders.
The TM100 is an awesome bike. Best handling once properly suspended - and box stock the engine can suit a top kid for a practice bike. It's also a good value for a supermini with big wheels and 100cc kit already on it. To get a kx super on par in the engine department you need about the consumer available PC109 package - something around 3500 if I remember.
Mark Stone took 2nd in Mini Sr 1 on a TM100 as well
The bikes are serious. You're going to start seeing a lot more of them, I'm very tempted to buy the 85 for my kid.
No joke.
I think they are from around the time where Kawi and Suzuki were working together and the RMZ250 and Kx250f were the EXACT same bike.
I quoted Dtat's post and my post was strictly to point out the difference in numbers of KTM/Husky vs. Kawi vs Yam.
It was not intended to be a listing of ALL the brands entered (There was 1 or 2 Suzuki's as well) as well as Masterpool's TM.
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