Tomac

Squirrelings wrote:

Isn't Tomac 5 for 6 in MXGP motos? Something like that. Keep talking though.

RichardLoots wrote:

someone had to mention it ..thats good for the next decade no matter what happens

Squirrelings wrote:

Facts are facts.

Solidkm wrote:

Vital would shrivel up and die if it weren’t for Tomac threads.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

*Stewart

Squirrelings wrote:

* Team Puerto Rico

Squirrelings wrote:

Facts are facts.

RichardLoots wrote:

fact is you just left out the other half of results of Tomac against MXGP riders :laugh: Keep talking though question was , will he race...

fact is you just left out the other half of results of Tomac against MXGP riders

Keep talking though

question was , will he race next years MXON in Assen ?

RichardLoots wrote:

fact is you just left out the other half of results of Tomac against MXGP riders :laugh: Keep talking though question was , will he race...

fact is you just left out the other half of results of Tomac against MXGP riders

Keep talking though

question was , will he race next years MXON in Assen ?

Solidkm wrote:

Vital would shrivel up and die if it weren’t for Tomac threads.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

*Stewart

Squirrelings wrote:

* Team Puerto Rico

Donovan759 wrote:

*KTM Frame Failure

Squirrelings wrote:

Facts are facts.

RichardLoots wrote:

fact is you just left out the other half of results of Tomac against MXGP riders :laugh: Keep talking though question was , will he race...

fact is you just left out the other half of results of Tomac against MXGP riders

Keep talking though

question was , will he race next years MXON in Assen ?

jorgechavez wrote:

We're not fortune tellers here, Richard.

jeffro503 wrote:

This is fact : Tomac racing in Assen will have about the same amount of experience as Herlings would in SX. We don't have sand here...

This is fact :

Tomac racing in Assen will have about the same amount of experience as Herlings would in SX.

We don't have sand here like that! And even if we did.....our guys wouldn't practice in it , because no SX or MX national tracks have that kind of sand.

So again....beating American rider's in the sand and bragging about it , would be like bragging how Jeffrey wouldn't break top 10 at A1 , and then having American's brag about. Who cares if they don't have SX over there? Jeffrey should practice at it......even though he doesn't do any SX.

Apples to Orange's. That's why I relish the " Dirt " MXoN's races. Fair play..... because both series run dirt based tracks.

Been saying this for years btw.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

*Stewart

Squirrelings wrote:

* Team Puerto Rico

Donovan759 wrote:

*KTM Frame Failure

RichardLoots wrote:

maybe he can , but he never did ...he didnt win any moto ... the winner takes the flag first , not the dude who did...

maybe he can , but he never did ...he didnt win any moto ... the winner takes the flag first , not the dude who did a fast lap and crashed the laps before and after ...
since when are crashes and bad starts not a part of moto ?? dont use it when it suits you

Squirrelings wrote:

Isn't Tomac 5 for 6 in MXGP motos? Something like that. Keep talking though.

SCR wrote:

Loots doesn't recognize wins on US soil. Not even a USGP. Unless of course Jeffery won it. If Tomac beats Jeffery at Red Bud it won't...

Loots doesn't recognize wins on US soil. Not even a USGP. Unless of course Jeffery won it.
If Tomac beats Jeffery at Red Bud it won't count because home track and all that. If he wins next year in Jeffries sandbox Loots will probably go on about, one race doesn't prove anything.

B DUB 333 wrote:

See above. Tomac = FMOP especially on sand. But especially on dirt. But especially any track anywhere at anytime

Lucifa. wrote:

I remembered the last time Herlings and Tomac lined up together. Tomac was certainly NOT FMOP.

I can't even remember where he finished. Anyone?

Lucifa (MD) wrote:

B DUB 333, how’s the hangover treating you?

jorgechavez wrote:

We're not fortune tellers here, Richard.

RichardLoots wrote:

look at all the daily posted topics on here .. you cant be serious , its Vital ..

peelout wrote:

i still think he's a draft dodger and if it wasn't in the US then he would be riding his quad in the mountains again. we'll...

i still think he's a draft dodger and if it wasn't in the US then he would be riding his quad in the mountains again. we'll see what the story is next year.

as for this year, i'll be rooting him on the whole way, he is after all the fastest guy in the US so we'd be silly to leave him off because we're butt-hurt.

jeffro503 wrote:

This is fact : Tomac racing in Assen will have about the same amount of experience as Herlings would in SX. We don't have sand here...

This is fact :

Tomac racing in Assen will have about the same amount of experience as Herlings would in SX.

We don't have sand here like that! And even if we did.....our guys wouldn't practice in it , because no SX or MX national tracks have that kind of sand.

So again....beating American rider's in the sand and bragging about it , would be like bragging how Jeffrey wouldn't break top 10 at A1 , and then having American's brag about. Who cares if they don't have SX over there? Jeffrey should practice at it......even though he doesn't do any SX.

Apples to Orange's. That's why I relish the " Dirt " MXoN's races. Fair play..... because both series run dirt based tracks.

Been saying this for years btw.

RichardLoots wrote:

its not about the track ... its not about bragging .. as i agree with you that Herlings beating Tomac at Lommel is like Tomac beating...

its not about the track ... its not about bragging ..

as i agree with you that Herlings beating Tomac at Lommel is like Tomac beating Herlings at MEC and wouldnt suprise anybody if it happend ... i mentioned that before

my point is , would Tomac take that challenge and go ?? as odds of winning that race are a bit different as RedBud

thats all ... why people come up with all this shit as the question isnt that hard ...

and yeah we dont know , but its Vital and we all know what Tomac would do

jeffro503 wrote:

This is fact : Tomac racing in Assen will have about the same amount of experience as Herlings would in SX. We don't have sand here...

This is fact :

Tomac racing in Assen will have about the same amount of experience as Herlings would in SX.

We don't have sand here like that! And even if we did.....our guys wouldn't practice in it , because no SX or MX national tracks have that kind of sand.

So again....beating American rider's in the sand and bragging about it , would be like bragging how Jeffrey wouldn't break top 10 at A1 , and then having American's brag about. Who cares if they don't have SX over there? Jeffrey should practice at it......even though he doesn't do any SX.

Apples to Orange's. That's why I relish the " Dirt " MXoN's races. Fair play..... because both series run dirt based tracks.

Been saying this for years btw.

RichardLoots wrote:

its not about the track ... its not about bragging .. as i agree with you that Herlings beating Tomac at Lommel is like Tomac beating...

its not about the track ... its not about bragging ..

as i agree with you that Herlings beating Tomac at Lommel is like Tomac beating Herlings at MEC and wouldnt suprise anybody if it happend ... i mentioned that before

my point is , would Tomac take that challenge and go ?? as odds of winning that race are a bit different as RedBud

thats all ... why people come up with all this shit as the question isnt that hard ...

and yeah we dont know , but its Vital and we all know what Tomac would do

Lucifa. wrote:

I remembered the last time Herlings and Tomac lined up together. Tomac was certainly NOT FMOP.

I can't even remember where he finished. Anyone?

Lucifa (MD) wrote:

B DUB 333, how’s the hangover treating you?

B DUB 333 wrote:

Ya know what, I do have a headache. And jeffros been coming at me today. I'm giving up smart-ass comments for the day. But as Arnold...

Ya know what, I do have a headache. And jeffros been coming at me today. I'm giving up smart-ass comments for the day. But as Arnold once said....

peelout wrote:

i still think he's a draft dodger and if it wasn't in the US then he would be riding his quad in the mountains again. we'll...

i still think he's a draft dodger and if it wasn't in the US then he would be riding his quad in the mountains again. we'll see what the story is next year.

as for this year, i'll be rooting him on the whole way, he is after all the fastest guy in the US so we'd be silly to leave him off because we're butt-hurt.

wreckitrandy wrote:

Yeah but, I'm silly like that peely. You still want to fight butch?!

SCR wrote:

Loots doesn't recognize wins on US soil. Not even a USGP. Unless of course Jeffery won it. If Tomac beats Jeffery at Red Bud it won't...

Loots doesn't recognize wins on US soil. Not even a USGP. Unless of course Jeffery won it.
If Tomac beats Jeffery at Red Bud it won't count because home track and all that. If he wins next year in Jeffries sandbox Loots will probably go on about, one race doesn't prove anything.

RichardLoots wrote:

Herlings goes 3-0 at RedBud , wins quali and both moto's ...there wont be any doubts . USA wins MXON ... so congrats , about time...

Herlings goes 3-0 at RedBud , wins quali and both moto's ...there wont be any doubts .

USA wins MXON ... so congrats , about time

peelout wrote:

i still think he's a draft dodger and if it wasn't in the US then he would be riding his quad in the mountains again. we'll...

i still think he's a draft dodger and if it wasn't in the US then he would be riding his quad in the mountains again. we'll see what the story is next year.

as for this year, i'll be rooting him on the whole way, he is after all the fastest guy in the US so we'd be silly to leave him off because we're butt-hurt.

wreckitrandy wrote:

Yeah but, I'm silly like that peely. You still want to fight butch?!

Wiff3 wrote:

Bunch of whiny twats on here crying about Tomac not racing last year. Who cares. The guys that did go busted their asses! And I'm sure...

Bunch of whiny twats on here crying about Tomac not racing last year. Who cares. The guys that did go busted their asses! And I'm sure Eli and crew will ride their hearts out this year.

peelout wrote:

i still think he's a draft dodger and if it wasn't in the US then he would be riding his quad in the mountains again. we'll...

i still think he's a draft dodger and if it wasn't in the US then he would be riding his quad in the mountains again. we'll see what the story is next year.

as for this year, i'll be rooting him on the whole way, he is after all the fastest guy in the US so we'd be silly to leave him off because we're butt-hurt.

wreckitrandy wrote:

Yeah but, I'm silly like that peely. You still want to fight butch?!

peelout wrote:

bring it on brandy

SCR wrote:

Loots doesn't recognize wins on US soil. Not even a USGP. Unless of course Jeffery won it. If Tomac beats Jeffery at Red Bud it won't...

Loots doesn't recognize wins on US soil. Not even a USGP. Unless of course Jeffery won it.
If Tomac beats Jeffery at Red Bud it won't count because home track and all that. If he wins next year in Jeffries sandbox Loots will probably go on about, one race doesn't prove anything.

RichardLoots wrote:

Herlings goes 3-0 at RedBud , wins quali and both moto's ...there wont be any doubts . USA wins MXON ... so congrats , about time...

Herlings goes 3-0 at RedBud , wins quali and both moto's ...there wont be any doubts .

USA wins MXON ... so congrats , about time

Donovan759 wrote:

Lol. I remember 2007 quite vividly. Everyone was saying the same thing about Cairoli. MXoN came and US fans lined the track with signs that said...

Lol. I remember 2007 quite vividly. Everyone was saying the same thing about Cairoli. MXoN came and US fans lined the track with signs that said Cairoli Who?... We all know how that turned out.

I hope Herlings doesn't disappoint you too much.

I would hate to see your avatar turn into a picture of your head with a really small mouth on it.

TDeath21 wrote:

I think it’s extremely lame that he has said the following things and then done the subsequent actions: These aren’t going to be direct quotes but...

I think it’s extremely lame that he has said the following things and then done the subsequent actions:

These aren’t going to be direct quotes but he did say these things in some form, I just don’t know the exact way he said it.

1: “I need to stay focused on the series here in the United States. Our series is long and grueling as it is.”

2: “Our series is a meat grinder here and I don’t want to extend our season into mid October with more races.”

Despite number 1, he chose to race both USGPs right up until the MXoN. Races that were essentially meaningless to him. Races that added to the grueling schedule and were not part of the US series. And don’t tell me he was contracted to do so. He chose to sign that contract. If he’d have told Kawi he didn’t want to do those GPs, they’d have said okay.

Despite number 2, he’s doing just that here this year. He’s unnecessarily extending his season into mid October. Why is it all the sudden different now? Sounds to me like he either wants to be the hometown hero or he just didn’t want to ride the European tracks.

Oh wait maybe it’s the travel to Europe that bothered him and he didn’t want to do? Well ... the distance between Glen Helen and Charlotte is roughly 2,409 miles. If we are to assume he started that journey in California (almost a certainty) we can double that number for his travel distance with the two USGPs. That’s 4,818 unnecessary miles traveled after his long and grueling SX/MX season. Plus about an extra 3 hours of race time on MX tracks. A trans-Atlantic flight is roughly 3,500 miles of travel. Give or take a few hundred based on how far you go. The MXon adds an extra hour and a half to the racing time during the season. And yes I know that journey would also probably start in Colorado or California for Tomac, so you can probably add 2,000 as a conservative estimate to that 3,500 number. That makes it a minimum of 5,500 Miles for those who are counting. Point still stands though that the overall travel wouldn’t be a huge massive difference.

Now this year he’s saying it’s an honor to be there and he can’t wait to represent his country. Hmm ... track record says otherwise.

I’d rather he just be honest (like he’s actually done in several interviews after the races throughout his career) and say he just didn’t want to travel to Europe and that he just wants to stay in the US. I still wouldn’t like it and neither would a lot of people. But hey, at least then there aren’t massive holes in your reasoning. You race the races here in the US, whether it be MEC, SX, MX, USGP, etc. and you go on your merry way.

I know many people on this forum would never miss an opportunity to represent Team USA. Some can say it’s easy to say sitting behind a keyboard, but I know it’s the truth. Several top pros feel the same way. Carmichael and Barcia fit this bill, as do most top GP riders. And several others do too that just aren’t quite on that top tier level and therefore don’t ever get the opportunity.

Really all I’m saying is that Tomac’s excuses and reasonings for opting out don’t hold water. They just don’t. Now all the sudden when it’s on home soil he’s ready to go. We will see what he decides to do next year. That will be a big indicator. Am I happy he’s on the team this year? Well yeah because he gives my country the best chance to win. I wish he were on it every year. Even though he’s a fellow countryman and I’ll be cheering for him, it’s still okay for me to point out the flaws in his reasonings for skipping this event. Like I said, there were a lot of angles he could have taken as his reasonings for not going. He chose reasons that can be easily disputed with just a little bit of thought.

Akira wrote:

pls man chill out, go out and ride.