What's Tomac's WORST finish the rest of the way?

WowWowWubzy wrote:

If ET splits wins (if) the rest of the way, his worst finish might determine who gets the #1 plate. He has shown over the last...

If ET splits wins (if) the rest of the way, his worst finish might determine who gets the #1 plate. He has shown over the last 3 years he will have one or two meltdown races. I could easily see him start 12th, get up to 6th, crash then fade to 10th. So, what's his worst finish down the stretch?

zehn wrote:

This thread is about Tomac not Reed

spimx wrote:

Reed is from a different time. When Tomac has the starts and wins 44 and 2 450 sx championships like Reed then talk about him. I...

Reed is from a different time. When Tomac has the starts and wins 44 and 2 450 sx championships like Reed then talk about him. I think Tomac has like 26 or 27 wins and 0 sx 450 championships yeah so far Tomac will not get to 44 wins like Reed has, he's already slowing down.

blockhead17 wrote:

Not to mention Reeds wins came against a couple guys called Ricky and James..

BobbyM wrote:

DNF or DNS.

spimx wrote:

Reed is from a different time. When Tomac has the starts and wins 44 and 2 450 sx championships like Reed then talk about him. I...

Reed is from a different time. When Tomac has the starts and wins 44 and 2 450 sx championships like Reed then talk about him. I think Tomac has like 26 or 27 wins and 0 sx 450 championships yeah so far Tomac will not get to 44 wins like Reed has, he's already slowing down.

blockhead17 wrote:

Not to mention Reeds wins came against a couple guys called Ricky and James..

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

2004 and 2008, no Ricky or James!!

toroP wrote:

Watch 2005 Daytona, if you’re unclear about who Reed is. Then fast forward to 2014 A2 and A3. This guy didn’t just win races in his...

Watch 2005 Daytona, if you’re unclear about who Reed is. Then fast forward to 2014 A2 and A3. This guy didn’t just win races in his title seasons.

blockhead17 wrote:

Not to mention Reeds wins came against a couple guys called Ricky and James..

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

2004 and 2008, no Ricky or James!!

toroP wrote:

Watch 2005 Daytona, if you’re unclear about who Reed is. Then fast forward to 2014 A2 and A3. This guy didn’t just win races in his...

Watch 2005 Daytona, if you’re unclear about who Reed is. Then fast forward to 2014 A2 and A3. This guy didn’t just win races in his title seasons.

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

2004 and 2008, no Ricky or James!!

toroP wrote:

Watch 2005 Daytona, if you’re unclear about who Reed is. Then fast forward to 2014 A2 and A3. This guy didn’t just win races in his...

Watch 2005 Daytona, if you’re unclear about who Reed is. Then fast forward to 2014 A2 and A3. This guy didn’t just win races in his title seasons.

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

I am not saying he didn’t. But his 3 titles were without his stiffest competition racing the full series. Very similar to Dungey, he was always...

I am not saying he didn’t. But his 3 titles were without his stiffest competition racing the full series. Very similar to Dungey, he was always 2nd-4th consistently that could steal a few wins here and there. But not on the same level as Ricky, James, or Villopoto.

toroP wrote:

Watch 2005 Daytona, if you’re unclear about who Reed is. Then fast forward to 2014 A2 and A3. This guy didn’t just win races in his...

Watch 2005 Daytona, if you’re unclear about who Reed is. Then fast forward to 2014 A2 and A3. This guy didn’t just win races in his title seasons.

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

I am not saying he didn’t. But his 3 titles were without his stiffest competition racing the full series. Very similar to Dungey, he was always...

I am not saying he didn’t. But his 3 titles were without his stiffest competition racing the full series. Very similar to Dungey, he was always 2nd-4th consistently that could steal a few wins here and there. But not on the same level as Ricky, James, or Villopoto.

yz133rider wrote:

Dude you're so off. Dungey is 2nd all time to only Carmichael in all time mx wins. Hes 4th all time in combined professional wins (250...

Dude you're so off. Dungey is 2nd all time to only Carmichael in all time mx wins. Hes 4th all time in combined professional wins (250 and 450s combined mx and sx combined)

Dungey did a ton of winning. Clearly.

Reed is also 4th all time in supercross wins and 10th overall in combined wins.

Dungey also left alot of wins and titles on the table

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

I am not saying he didn’t. But his 3 titles were without his stiffest competition racing the full series. Very similar to Dungey, he was always...

I am not saying he didn’t. But his 3 titles were without his stiffest competition racing the full series. Very similar to Dungey, he was always 2nd-4th consistently that could steal a few wins here and there. But not on the same level as Ricky, James, or Villopoto.

yz133rider wrote:

Dude you're so off. Dungey is 2nd all time to only Carmichael in all time mx wins. Hes 4th all time in combined professional wins (250...

Dude you're so off. Dungey is 2nd all time to only Carmichael in all time mx wins. Hes 4th all time in combined professional wins (250 and 450s combined mx and sx combined)

Dungey did a ton of winning. Clearly.

Reed is also 4th all time in supercross wins and 10th overall in combined wins.

Dungey also left alot of wins and titles on the table

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

When comparing the all time greats of an era you get into the territory of splitting hairs. When comparing Reed to Ricky and James, my knock...

When comparing the all time greats of an era you get into the territory of splitting hairs. When comparing Reed to Ricky and James, my knock there is he never won a title against them when they all raced the whole series. He was damn close in 2003, 2006, 2007, and 2009. Also really close in 2011 in MX and SX against Villopoto, Dungey, and James. He won his titles in 04 without Ricky, 08 without James, and 09 MX without James. He’s an all time great but that hurts when comparing him to other greats. Dungey is a similar thing for me, he never beat Villopoto straight up for a title.

Reed and Dungey are both in the top 3% of the sports history but when comparing them to the other guys in that territory you start splitting hairs.

yz133rider wrote:

Dude you're so off. Dungey is 2nd all time to only Carmichael in all time mx wins. Hes 4th all time in combined professional wins (250...

Dude you're so off. Dungey is 2nd all time to only Carmichael in all time mx wins. Hes 4th all time in combined professional wins (250 and 450s combined mx and sx combined)

Dungey did a ton of winning. Clearly.

Reed is also 4th all time in supercross wins and 10th overall in combined wins.

Dungey also left alot of wins and titles on the table

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

When comparing the all time greats of an era you get into the territory of splitting hairs. When comparing Reed to Ricky and James, my knock...

When comparing the all time greats of an era you get into the territory of splitting hairs. When comparing Reed to Ricky and James, my knock there is he never won a title against them when they all raced the whole series. He was damn close in 2003, 2006, 2007, and 2009. Also really close in 2011 in MX and SX against Villopoto, Dungey, and James. He won his titles in 04 without Ricky, 08 without James, and 09 MX without James. He’s an all time great but that hurts when comparing him to other greats. Dungey is a similar thing for me, he never beat Villopoto straight up for a title.

Reed and Dungey are both in the top 3% of the sports history but when comparing them to the other guys in that territory you start splitting hairs.

yz133rider wrote:

Theres quite a few things that really fell into place to make those stats tho. Dungey had dnf's costing him titles to rv that clearly were...

Theres quite a few things that really fell into place to make those stats tho. Dungey had dnf's costing him titles to rv that clearly were out of rd's control. Chains derailing, running out of fuel while leading freestone, bike wont start before Southwick costing him several spots and massive points etc.

He also went to ktm going from a developed bike to a very not ready machine and had to take time to develop it to being a capable bike. That also cost him. Despite this like i said already look at how many wins he racked up.

He also didn't get to race Rv outdoors in big bikes more than twice was it, i believe because rv grenaded himself.

Rv is a great obviously but rd as well. Rd did not only do his winning while the others we're out as you said.

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

When comparing the all time greats of an era you get into the territory of splitting hairs. When comparing Reed to Ricky and James, my knock...

When comparing the all time greats of an era you get into the territory of splitting hairs. When comparing Reed to Ricky and James, my knock there is he never won a title against them when they all raced the whole series. He was damn close in 2003, 2006, 2007, and 2009. Also really close in 2011 in MX and SX against Villopoto, Dungey, and James. He won his titles in 04 without Ricky, 08 without James, and 09 MX without James. He’s an all time great but that hurts when comparing him to other greats. Dungey is a similar thing for me, he never beat Villopoto straight up for a title.

Reed and Dungey are both in the top 3% of the sports history but when comparing them to the other guys in that territory you start splitting hairs.

yz133rider wrote:

Theres quite a few things that really fell into place to make those stats tho. Dungey had dnf's costing him titles to rv that clearly were...

Theres quite a few things that really fell into place to make those stats tho. Dungey had dnf's costing him titles to rv that clearly were out of rd's control. Chains derailing, running out of fuel while leading freestone, bike wont start before Southwick costing him several spots and massive points etc.

He also went to ktm going from a developed bike to a very not ready machine and had to take time to develop it to being a capable bike. That also cost him. Despite this like i said already look at how many wins he racked up.

He also didn't get to race Rv outdoors in big bikes more than twice was it, i believe because rv grenaded himself.

Rv is a great obviously but rd as well. Rd did not only do his winning while the others we're out as you said.

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

You bring up some valid points, but Dungey’s stiffest competition was Villopoto. Villopoto was 6 for 7 against Dungey, I’ll give Dungey 2010 SX because he...

You bring up some valid points, but Dungey’s stiffest competition was Villopoto. Villopoto was 6 for 7 against Dungey, I’ll give Dungey 2010 SX because he was leading Villopoto at round 11 or 12 when Villopoto got hurt. Even if Dungey gets 2012 and 2014 MX that makes Villopoto 6 for 9. Dungey won his 3 SX titles once Villopoto retired. But like I said previously, were splitting hairs. These guys are absolute animals on a dirt bike.

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

When comparing the all time greats of an era you get into the territory of splitting hairs. When comparing Reed to Ricky and James, my knock...

When comparing the all time greats of an era you get into the territory of splitting hairs. When comparing Reed to Ricky and James, my knock there is he never won a title against them when they all raced the whole series. He was damn close in 2003, 2006, 2007, and 2009. Also really close in 2011 in MX and SX against Villopoto, Dungey, and James. He won his titles in 04 without Ricky, 08 without James, and 09 MX without James. He’s an all time great but that hurts when comparing him to other greats. Dungey is a similar thing for me, he never beat Villopoto straight up for a title.

Reed and Dungey are both in the top 3% of the sports history but when comparing them to the other guys in that territory you start splitting hairs.

yz133rider wrote:

Theres quite a few things that really fell into place to make those stats tho. Dungey had dnf's costing him titles to rv that clearly were...

Theres quite a few things that really fell into place to make those stats tho. Dungey had dnf's costing him titles to rv that clearly were out of rd's control. Chains derailing, running out of fuel while leading freestone, bike wont start before Southwick costing him several spots and massive points etc.

He also went to ktm going from a developed bike to a very not ready machine and had to take time to develop it to being a capable bike. That also cost him. Despite this like i said already look at how many wins he racked up.

He also didn't get to race Rv outdoors in big bikes more than twice was it, i believe because rv grenaded himself.

Rv is a great obviously but rd as well. Rd did not only do his winning while the others we're out as you said.

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

You bring up some valid points, but Dungey’s stiffest competition was Villopoto. Villopoto was 6 for 7 against Dungey, I’ll give Dungey 2010 SX because he...

You bring up some valid points, but Dungey’s stiffest competition was Villopoto. Villopoto was 6 for 7 against Dungey, I’ll give Dungey 2010 SX because he was leading Villopoto at round 11 or 12 when Villopoto got hurt. Even if Dungey gets 2012 and 2014 MX that makes Villopoto 6 for 9. Dungey won his 3 SX titles once Villopoto retired. But like I said previously, were splitting hairs. These guys are absolute animals on a dirt bike.

RandyS wrote:

I would have to call bullshit on that statement because probably every comment I've made about Tomac has been negative, he's a guy who should have...

I would have to call bullshit on that statement because probably every comment I've made about Tomac has been negative, he's a guy who should have been a multiple time SX champion. I have said multiple times he's not my favorite rider but I don't believe I have ever used the word hate about any rider. I'm basing that on last year when Webb owned Tomac. I think the days of Tomac winning half the races have passed. Webb may not look like he was dominant but he won what 7 or 8 last year, most of Tomacs wins were when Webb was managing the title. You put Roczen in the mix and there's no room for the kind of weekends Tomac has had his entire 450 career. Had Webb not started out the season sick I think that would be more obvious.

blockhead17 wrote:

Not to mention Reeds wins came against a couple guys called Ricky and James..

DrinkMoreWater wrote:

I've been a doubter of Eli, not his speed he's been the fastest ever since he came in to the class but his mental break downs...

I've been a doubter of Eli, not his speed he's been the fastest ever since he came in to the class but his mental break downs, his persona and mental seem much stronger this year he's not cracking under pressure like he was years past, he's different which is great.