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Looking for experience from anyone who has bought a pw50 new from the dealer. Every new bike I’ve bought they try to get you with the fees and a sob story but they end up getting dropped because everyone knows it’s BS. I’ve been calling around to everyone with a pw50 and nobody will budge on the shipping charge of about 150-200$. Same old story...small margins, they’ll lose money if they drop the fees, etc. maybe it is legit with a bike that’s only 1500$ ?
Anybody ever buy one and was able to get a deal?
For your time...
Anybody ever buy one and was able to get a deal?
For your time...
I've now bought 2 PWs and I paid the fees both times. I was pist! They won't budge on this it seems.
Think about this. You don’t go into Walmart asking for discounts just because you know they get it cheaper. Without those small fees, there wouldn’t be a dealer here for you to bitch about the price. With how things are, we practically lose money on most dirt bike sells, but we know that those customers buy gear and all kinds of other parts. But again, that’s the convenience of a dealer that would not be there without charges.
I highly doubt you have actually ever seen the invoice of what these bikes cost. I see them practically every day, and it’s scary. As a moto guy, it hurts. I hate having to pay so damn much for a bike, but i still do it
The Shop
Cause they’re just gonna line their posckets and drive off in their Bentley after they rip a guy off...
Wish I would have become a dealer before all the bike shops got snatched up, dang.
No business owner is going to fork out thousands upon thousands of dollars for something with such a small return on investment. You can believe that or choose to keep your head buried in the sand, but it's just the way the world works.
Strangely enough, I feel like sometimes the salesmen selling these things are the most oblivious of them all.
Years ago a dealer gave us a steal on a XR100, been using that same dealer for 20 years now even though there are several others that are cheaper.
Please remember, profit is not a dirty word.
Pit Row
In art, we pay full price to support people in the industry we are a part of to help them make a living. When you try to undercut people in your own industry, it only hurts your cause. I’m not saying dealerships don’t make any money, but they’re not making a killing like they used to. And every post on here that says “you can’t make a living in the industry”....that’s in part because the culture in moto is to nickel and dime the small guy.
A lot of the local folks who ride moto have solid careers and the 200 bucks to them literally means nothing but pride. To the dealership, shaving off 200 bucks everytime they make a sale is the difference between closing up shop or you having options down the street from you.
My family started in the business in 1974 with Suzuki, then added Kawi and Polaris later on. Bikes had decent margins back then, I know, I worked there until 1981. Over the years margins got worse as OEM's tried to to keep the msrp's down.
Now, in today's marketplace with internet prices, it's much harder to make anything on an mx bike. Couple that with the fact many mx riders buy gear and parts from online stores, and you can see how little they make on them.
My brother carries them because he has a few loyal customers that ride and race. Plus, he's always been into moto.
He would be the first to tell you, he could stop carrying mx bikes tomorrow and it would have zero affect on his bottom line. Now, do some dealers get carried away with fee's? Yes, for sure.
That said, all you guys that have never worked in a shop and think you know anything about making money in the motorcycle business are full of s**t.
Bikes cost what they cost. Dont want to pay $200 for shipping? Then buy used. Pw50s havent changed much if at all in years. What difference does it make to a 5 year old?
I didnt pay the shipping/assembly/tech inspection fee, i think it was 275$ total.
I ended up buying my KTM there because of the great service couple months later.
A salesman’s job is literally to lie and con people into paying as much money as possible, more than they realistically should, but it’s unaccaptable for the customer to not want to be scammed?
As for customer loyalty, maybe you would have more loyal customers by being straightforward with them. People can buy anything online cheaper than they can in a shop. Anything. I go into my local shop for everything because they didn’t BS me with fees when I buy bikes.
Back on topic, it seems like most people are paying some fees on a pw50 because the profit margin is smaller, which is what I came to ask. Thanks.
People really think that these dealerships, some of them with millions of dollars in overhead, are going to take all of the risks of being in business for 2% margins? That's laugh out loud funny. Common sense should tell people that those numbers don't add up but apparently everyone that ever sold spark plugs at a dealership had access to the books and can verify that the owners weren't making anything!
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely for businesses making money which is why I'd much rather them just come out and say "This is how we put food on the table" rather than feed me the "We aren't making a dime on this sale" bullshit. I find it insulting.
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