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Musquin.. You just have to feel for the guy. That was gut wrenching. I had to look away after the first replay.
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Musquin didn't do well in the first session with a 10th, so he was trying to push to have a more decend grid on a track that was slower this second session.

The crash, I think, comes mostly from a way too fast rebound.

I know it is the trend as it may be a bit faster to chase the last half a second of traction, but the impredictability is way way too high. Any riding error or bad kicker can catapult you so basically you spend at least 3 months per year injured. I am not sure if I ever saw RV or Cairoli having once such a crash. When you see how Herlings broke his neck recently, I think it was a very close call for Marv too. Whatever happens the rest of the day, if he lines up this afternoon or for the championship chase, I am just extremely glad he didn't get badly injuries.
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Musquin didn't do well in the first session with a 10th, so he was trying to push to have a more decend grid on a track...
Musquin didn't do well in the first session with a 10th, so he was trying to push to have a more decend grid on a track that was slower this second session.

The crash, I think, comes mostly from a way too fast rebound.

I know it is the trend as it may be a bit faster to chase the last half a second of traction, but the impredictability is way way too high. Any riding error or bad kicker can catapult you so basically you spend at least 3 months per year injured. I am not sure if I ever saw RV or Cairoli having once such a crash. When you see how Herlings broke his neck recently, I think it was a very close call for Marv too. Whatever happens the rest of the day, if he lines up this afternoon or for the championship chase, I am just extremely glad he didn't get badly injuries.
Marvin had a bad crash the end of the 2nd moto last weekend and now this in practice. He won't do well today. Mentally tough situation with back to back crashes in a short period of time.

He commented last weekend he was lucky he didn't get hurt. Now this.
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If Marvin didn’t get a concussion on that hit then those Aori are better then I thought. That’s a bad hit to the head.
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Question wrote:
Musquin didn't do well in the first session with a 10th, so he was trying to push to have a more decend grid on a track...
Musquin didn't do well in the first session with a 10th, so he was trying to push to have a more decend grid on a track that was slower this second session.

The crash, I think, comes mostly from a way too fast rebound.

I know it is the trend as it may be a bit faster to chase the last half a second of traction, but the impredictability is way way too high. Any riding error or bad kicker can catapult you so basically you spend at least 3 months per year injured. I am not sure if I ever saw RV or Cairoli having once such a crash. When you see how Herlings broke his neck recently, I think it was a very close call for Marv too. Whatever happens the rest of the day, if he lines up this afternoon or for the championship chase, I am just extremely glad he didn't get badly injuries.
kpiper wrote:
Marvin had a bad crash the end of the 2nd moto last weekend and now this in practice. He won't do well today. Mentally tough situation...
Marvin had a bad crash the end of the 2nd moto last weekend and now this in practice. He won't do well today. Mentally tough situation with back to back crashes in a short period of time.

He commented last weekend he was lucky he didn't get hurt. Now this.
Can I borrow your crystal ball? The Powerball is getting pretty big....
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Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
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I want to see Baggett get an overall today.
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Question wrote:
Musquin didn't do well in the first session with a 10th, so he was trying to push to have a more decend grid on a track...
Musquin didn't do well in the first session with a 10th, so he was trying to push to have a more decend grid on a track that was slower this second session.

The crash, I think, comes mostly from a way too fast rebound.

I know it is the trend as it may be a bit faster to chase the last half a second of traction, but the impredictability is way way too high. Any riding error or bad kicker can catapult you so basically you spend at least 3 months per year injured. I am not sure if I ever saw RV or Cairoli having once such a crash. When you see how Herlings broke his neck recently, I think it was a very close call for Marv too. Whatever happens the rest of the day, if he lines up this afternoon or for the championship chase, I am just extremely glad he didn't get badly injuries.
kpiper wrote:
Marvin had a bad crash the end of the 2nd moto last weekend and now this in practice. He won't do well today. Mentally tough situation...
Marvin had a bad crash the end of the 2nd moto last weekend and now this in practice. He won't do well today. Mentally tough situation with back to back crashes in a short period of time.

He commented last weekend he was lucky he didn't get hurt. Now this.
BobPA wrote:
Can I borrow your crystal ball? The Powerball is getting pretty big....
Sorry, I don't loan it out to people.

Also, it shows Tomac riding about like he did last weekend. He seems to finish about where he qualifies lately.

Of course, the crystal ball has been wrong at times though. Smile

So you think the two back to back crashes will have no impact on MM25 today?
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Philly215 wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced...
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
He wouldn't be on my Mt Rushmore, but he made it very tough for the guys on that wall their entire careers.
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You have a point, except for sand which is the opposite.

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Philly215 wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced...
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
May not have always been on their level, but he might be the only person to beat each one of those people in their prime straight up.
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Philly215 wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced...
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
crowe660 wrote:
He wouldn't be on my Mt Rushmore, but he made it very tough for the guys on that wall their entire careers.
Not really. He'd give a healthy RC fits a couple times a year.
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Wow, that was a brutal crash. He hit his head really, really bad.
The thing is with highsiding crashes like that you not only hit the ground at the speed you are travelling but with the high side the bike flicks you too, increasing your momentum. It wasn't his head I was worried about so much when I saw it on the replay but his neck. I hope he's ok.
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Philly215 wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced...
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
davis224 wrote:
May not have always been on their level, but he might be the only person to beat each one of those people in their prime straight...
May not have always been on their level, but he might be the only person to beat each one of those people in their prime straight up.
Which is exactly why he wouldn't belong on the Mount Rushmore of MX. Why would we put a guy up there who could only beat the best every once in a while.
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Motofinne wrote:
Wow, that was a brutal crash. He hit his head really, really bad.
Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
The thing is with highsiding crashes like that you not only hit the ground at the speed you are travelling but with the high side the...
The thing is with highsiding crashes like that you not only hit the ground at the speed you are travelling but with the high side the bike flicks you too, increasing your momentum. It wasn't his head I was worried about so much when I saw it on the replay but his neck. I hope he's ok.
TBH, if he is not injured, he must share the same DNA with Gajser in term of being made of rubber.

I take a hit like that I burn the shock and finish it with a hammer.
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Suicidal_Tendencies 9/26/2020 8:58am
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Philly215 wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced...
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
crowe660 wrote:
He wouldn't be on my Mt Rushmore, but he made it very tough for the guys on that wall their entire careers.
agn5009 wrote:
Not really. He'd give a healthy RC fits a couple times a year.
In 2003 he won every single sx racer after Daytona, straight up put a beat down on RC who barely won the title.
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Philly215 wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced...
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
davis224 wrote:
May not have always been on their level, but he might be the only person to beat each one of those people in their prime straight...
May not have always been on their level, but he might be the only person to beat each one of those people in their prime straight up.
agn5009 wrote:
Which is exactly why he wouldn't belong on the Mount Rushmore of MX. Why would we put a guy up there who could only beat the...
Which is exactly why he wouldn't belong on the Mount Rushmore of MX. Why would we put a guy up there who could only beat the best every once in a while.
So don't put him on your hypothetical list. If someone else puts him on their hypothetical list because he won races throughout their entire lives, is it really that bewildering?

Technically Stew only beat RC every once in a while, and never for a title. What's the line for allowing someone on it?
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Philly215 wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced...
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
davis224 wrote:
May not have always been on their level, but he might be the only person to beat each one of those people in their prime straight...
May not have always been on their level, but he might be the only person to beat each one of those people in their prime straight up.
agn5009 wrote:
Which is exactly why he wouldn't belong on the Mount Rushmore of MX. Why would we put a guy up there who could only beat the...
Which is exactly why he wouldn't belong on the Mount Rushmore of MX. Why would we put a guy up there who could only beat the best every once in a while.
What am I missing with mount Rushmore? I am think yall some crazy fools for thinking a moto guy would ever be up there lol?
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Philly215 wrote:
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced...
Doesn’t make any sense. He won a couple championships by default and was never at the level of Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or even Dungey. He raced for a long time, got to give him credit for that but was always a douche and only passed the fastest guys by taking them out. (Downvote me.)
crowe660 wrote:
He wouldn't be on my Mt Rushmore, but he made it very tough for the guys on that wall their entire careers.
That’s a good point and I agree with you. He was a high level guy for a long time, but was never that tier 1 level like the guys that would be on Rushmore.
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Possibly the two fastest to ever race. He's behind RC, James and Villopoto for me. Dungey? Don't think so.

So much respect for what he has done. Unlucky to be in his prime at the same time as RC and James. Legend
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I like the Mt Rushmore segment and enjoy seeing the picks from today's riders. Try picking an American version, a GP version and a combined one of just four guys each. It ain't easy!
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